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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe S. View Post
    Hummm...while the word may be absent, the concept seems to be clear:

    For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one." (1 John 5:7)

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    Sorry Joe, at 1 John 5:7 the discussion of them being considered one is based on unity of thought. See John 17:21, 1 Cor 3:8, John 10:30. The greek "Hen" is consistantly translated throughout the bible as agreement or oneness in purpose or thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    So I guess you libs are all 4 the KKK being able to march in parades ,preach and send their beliefs over a loud speaker. And you would run in their defense if someone complained about it.

    Yea I know I see the liberal media doing that all the time.

    Its pretty ovious to tell when someone wants to quietly practice what they believe and obvious when people want to cause friction and divide.

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    I am far from a liberal but I am all for any group to be able to PEACEFULLY march in parades and deliver their message over a loud speaker as long as public noise ordinances are not being broken. To think other wise is dang near Un-American.

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    I guess its a matter of opinion just like our 2nd admendment rights,,,some people think our founding fathers meant bb guns and sling shots ,,some think it was only talking about the military. Some seem to think the citizen should only own this or that.

    Well I believe our founding fathers meant something a little different than what we have today.

    Some think we can say what ever we want including burning the flag or yelling fire in a crowded theater.
    Some think there should be common sence discresion.
    Its ovious our 1st right ( saying anything and everything is what our founding fathers intended) And as far as our second right is one is concerned.,,, well you finish the sentence.

    Just like religion, we can all make documents smean what we want them to smean. Words don't mean anything anymore
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    Sorry Joe, at 1 John 5:7 the discussion of them being considered one is based on unity of thought. See John 17:21, 1 Cor 3:8, John 10:30. The greek "Hen" is consistantly translated throughout the bible as agreement or oneness in purpose or thought UNQUOTE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gun_Dog2002 View Post
    Sorry Joe
    Thanks for clearing it up, Paul.

    Understood Regards,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    So I guess you libs are all 4 the KKK being able to march in parades ,preach and send their beliefs over a loud speaker. And you would run in their defense if someone complained about it.

    Yea I know I see the liberal media doing that all the time.

    Its pretty ovious to tell when someone wants to quietly practice what they believe and obvious when people want to cause friction and divide.

    Pete
    Can't speak for "you libs" but as far as I'm concerned, they are entitled to speak what tiny portion of their minds I feel they have as long as they follow the established rules. I am free to listen, walk away, or ignore them at my discretion.

    The thing about the 1st is its ability to work both ways on an issue. While I find the position of those that preach hate in any of its forms to be objectionable in the extreme, as an American citizen I have a duty to see that they have a right to speak.

    Congratulations on being able to divine the reasons that others do the things they do. I am still trying to figure out why I do some of the stuff I do.

    Introspective Regards,

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    Congratulations on being able to divine the reasons that others do the things they do. I am still trying to figure out why I do some of the stuff I do.

    Introspective Regards,

    No problem Joe
    If you need help figuring something out let me know I'll be glad to divine it for ya

    Just tryin to be the helpy helpy person that I am

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    Since the beginning of civilization has there been anything ,man made or natural, that has killed more people than the believe that my god is better than your god. Can't we step back for a second and how ridiculous this is. For our believe that religion is good, and that it teaches us morality and humility. we sure seem to forget how many people it has harmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cotts135 View Post
    Since the beginning of civilization has there been anything ,man made or natural, that has killed more people than the believe that my god is better than your god. Can't we step back for a second and how ridiculous this is. For our believe that religion is good, and that it teaches us morality and humility. we sure seem to forget how many people it has harmed.
    You would love a guy named Dawkins.

    Sure there has, the plague, volcano's, Tsunami's. Hitler killed many to get rid their religion not just Jews , but Christians too. He subscribed to Nietzsche's philosophy about religion and humanity. Which is that religion is for the weak and the weak are holding up the eventual evolution of a master race.

    This is one of my favorite authors he was a Lutheran Pastor who wrote some good stuff sitting in a concentration camp waiting to die for his faith. I don't think it is as simple as religion is bad and the world would be at peace without it. The world would still be at war even without Dawkins "Purple people eater in the sky".


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer

    In 1939, Bonhoeffer joined a secret group of high-ranking military officers based in the Abwehr, or Military intelligence Office, who wanted to overthrow the National Socialist regime by killing Hitler. Bonhoeffer was arrested in April 1943 after money used to help Jews escape to Switzerland was traced to him. He was charged with conspiracy and imprisoned in Berlin for a year and a half.

    In Flossenbürg, Bonhoeffer was executed by hanging at dawn on 1945 April 9, just three weeks before the liberation of Berlin and one month before the capitulation of Nazi Germany. The manner of execution was, like other executions associated with the July 20 Plot, so brutal and graphic that even Wehrmacht soldiers were loathe to watch. Bonhoeffer was stripped of clothing in his cell, tortured and ridiculed by the guards, and led naked into the execution yard. The lack of sufficient gallows to hang thousands of Germans after the July 20 Plot had caused Hitler and Nazi propagandist Josef Goebbels to seize on the idea of using meathooks from slaughterhouses[3] and slowly hoisting the victim to dangle from an incrementally tightening noose formed of piano wire.[4] The asphyxiation is thought to have taken approximately half an hour.[5]
    “The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children.”

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