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    "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

    Obama said it. People say he is such a great orator, then be prepared to have his speeches looked at closely. He said a "civilian national security force" he did not say "peace force" that does not sound like the peace corps / boys scouts or any other current "force". Especially when he talks about funding them as well as the military.
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    I suppose I should put his entire speech up so you folks can read through the whole thing so you don't think anyone is trying to take things out of context. I was speaking specifically of this one line. Even taken in its context it still worth discussing.
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    Thanks for the full posting, Buzz. Much better.

    That said, ONE: I hope Mr. Obama has received enough criticism to consider the chilling nature of his statement, even out of context, and that he will continue to; and TWO, I'm still not sure I like the potential consequences of a large corps of civilian volunteers (mostly young and idealistic) who serve the broad agenda of ANY elected administration, this one, the next one, the one after that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvalab View Post
    I'm still not sure I like the potential consequences of a large corps of civilian volunteers (mostly young and idealistic) who serve the broad agenda of ANY elected administration, this one, the next one, the one after that...

    My Right and Left are getting confused again. Terrible vertigo. I need to go lie down.
    I view it all as rhetoric. Remember Gorge H. W. Bush? Here is an excerpt from his inaugural address. What ever became of his 1000 points of light?

    The old solution, the old way, was to think that public money alone could end these problems. But we have learned that is not so. And in any case, our funds are low. We have a deficit to bring down. We have more will than wallet; but will is what we need. We will make the hard choices, looking at what we have and perhaps allocating it differently, making our decisions based on honest need and prudent safety. And then we will do the wisest thing of all: We will turn to the only resource we have that in times of need always grows—the goodness and the courage of the American people. 14
    I am speaking of a new engagement in the lives of others, a new activism, hands-on and involved, that gets the job done. We must bring in the generations, harnessing the unused talent of the elderly and the unfocused energy of the young. For not only leadership is passed from generation to generation, but so is stewardship. And the generation born after the Second World War has come of age. 15
    I have spoken of a thousand points of light, of all the community organizations that are spread like stars throughout the Nation, doing good. We will work hand in hand, encouraging, sometimes leading, sometimes being led, rewarding. We will work on this in the White House, in the Cabinet agencies. I will go to the people and the programs that are the brighter points of light, and I will ask every member of my government to become involved. The old ideas are new again because they are not old, they are timeless: duty, sacrifice, commitment, and a patriotism that finds its expression in taking part and pitching in.
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    We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
    While reading what you posted there Buzz I still don’t understand how the Americorps translates into a security force, and a “powerful” one at that. What am I missing? Please help me understand, because that statement is scary. I don’t want a powerful security force made up of a bunch of radical hippies running around. Dosen't sound like he is talking about the peace corps to me....
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    I believe in Germany the used to call them the Gestapo.

    They were with the government and they were there to help....also.
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    Also in Laos and Cambodia they used to be called the Khymer Rouge.

    Thanks all you idiots who voted this guy in. He is truely the candidate of change...

    Change is not always a good thing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by code3retrievers View Post
    "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

    I would like one reason why we need this force.
    I believe it exists & is called "Homeland Security" for wont of a better term.

    Why would we add another layer to the system? Just think of the potential of a group of lefty "idealists" at the beck & call of the those who want to remain in charge.
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    Just concentrate on the money the government is gonna give ya, and ignore all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbullgator View Post
    While reading what you posted there Buzz I still don’t understand how the Americorps translates into a security force, and a “powerful” one at that. What am I missing? Please help me understand, because that statement is scary. I don’t want a powerful security force made up of a bunch of radical hippies running around. Dosen't sound like he is talking about the peace corps to me....

    I don't know, it might have something to do with this little bit that I picked up off his website under issues/defense.

    Develop Whole of Government Initiatives to Promote Global Stability Integrate Military and Civilian Efforts:
    An Obama-Biden administration will build up the capacity of each non-Pentagon agency to deploy personnel and area experts where they are needed, to help move soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines out of civilian roles.

    Create a Civilian Assistance Corps (CAC):
    An Obama-Biden administration will set a goal of creating a national CAC of 25,000 personnel. This corps of civilian volunteers with special skill, sets (doctors, lawyers, engineers, city planners, agriculture specialists, police, etc.) would be organized to provide each federal agency with a pool of volunteer experts willing to deploy in times of need at home and abroad.
    Here is a good primer on liberal thinking about winning the cold war and how it's lessons might be applied to the middle east. It talks about why we need to throw military and civilian efforts at the problem and not rely only on the military.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...405.clark.html
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    I voted for McCain, but every time he came up with a stupid idea or said something I did not agree with I was willing to say he was wrong.

    Why is it the followers of Obama can never discuss or criticize some of his bonehead ideas? Are you all just sheep?

    Do you really believe in everything he stands for?

    I asked for discussion and yes I mentioned Black Panthers but I could not think of another organization that I would consider a Civilian Security Force but here are others; the Guardian Angles, Black Water, and I am sure I could name some others from other countries but so far the list does not look like people I want running around my country providing security.

    Maybe you folks that think like Obama could give me a few examples of a Security Force that you would be comfortable with besides what we have in place.

    Lets see, in in my place of residence we have

    Block watch
    Local Police
    Sheriff
    Department of Public Safety
    National Guard
    Dept of Homeland Security
    FBI
    CIA
    Border Patrol
    Other
    Military
    Army
    Air Force
    Navy

    If all else fails there is NATO and the UN

    I believe we have enough Security.
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