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    "Ya don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
    - B. Dylan.

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    PS and it somtimes blows long and hard on the prairie.
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    Just dropped by to stir a little more. Any of your followers been to an Algore class recently?

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    2008: Another Grim Year for the Global Warmers

    By Michael Fox, Hawaii ReporterThe year 2008 marked the tenth consecutive year of no global warming. This is not widely reported or known. In fact the Earth has been cooling for the last 6 years.

    Richard Lindzen: A profound analysis of the global warming issues including huge political issues was written and presented in August this year by Dr. Richard Lindzen, climatologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). He asks two very important questions:

    1. Has the global warming alarm become the goal itself, instead of the result of scientific research?

    2. Is climate science really designed to answer questions or promote political goals? Too often we witness climate alarmism being promoted while solid science is ignored, misrepresented, or downplayed.

    This makes great fodder for scary movies, scary news articles, and scary documentaries, but it is still bad science.

    We also note that the nearly $5 billion/year being spent on global warming research is buying a lot of name-calling, ad hominem attacks, and all around nastiness by many of the indentured recipients of that money. Such behavior certainly is not scientific. In fact it inhibits the progress of science, and the intelligent formulations of science and energy policies. If half the participants are ignored by the science journals, insulted with ad hominem attacks by the promoters, and ignored and dismissed by the media, then the simple and rational scientific processes are stopped.

    Lindzen describes the origins of global warming alarm, the political agenda of the alarmists, their intimidation tactics, and the reasons for their success. Also, in painstaking detail, he debunks their key scientific claims and counterclaims.

    This Lindzen paper, although quite lengthy, is must reading for all decision makers, energy policy makers, and their staffs. Of course it would also help if the entire US population and the media read it as well, to help them understand the unscientific political processes taking place right before their eyes.
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    It looks like sea ice is at the same level as 1979.

    I guess the trend is moving twords a new ice age.

    http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13834

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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    It looks like sea ice is at the same level as 1979.

    I guess the trend is moving twords a new ice age.

    http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13834
    Oh lord now we have global cooling. The ice is pretty good this year

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    Yep. just looked out the door here, and sure enough, it's cold. Must be wintertime in the northern hemisphere.

    BTW http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13834 is a wiki. Kinda like snopes. Anybody can add anything they like whenever they like. Opinion driven objectivity... works for me if it works for you

    It's on the internet, it must be true, regards,

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    Just in our local paper the other day. 12th coldest since 1872 even with all our evil hogs and cattle spewing GHG

    http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pb...701049990/1006

    2008 officially among coolest, soggiest years ever in Iowa



    By Steve Gravelle

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    Eastern Iowans who endured it now have the numbers to back it up: 2008 was one of the coldest, wettest years in state history.

    It was the fourth-wettest and 12th-coldest year since 1872, according to the annual summary compiled by state Climatologist Harry Hillaker. With temperature readings from 130 sites and precipitation from 170 locations, the summary through Dec. 29 is based on preliminary data for the year's final four months.

    With 48.9 inches of snow statewide 16.5 inches more than usual 2008 was also the seventh-snowiest on record, and could be the second-snowiest when final figures are tallied.

    Those factors, and a very wet mid-spring, led to June's record floods along the Cedar and Iowa rivers.

    Heavy snow and cool weather "kept the river levels higher than they would have been otherwise," Hillaker said. "Areas upstream from Cedar Rapids did keep their snow on the ground through the winter.

    "We had three months' worth of moisture stored up in that snowpack, and it all melted in March."

    So rivers were high and the soil saturated when heavy rains fell in April and early March, followed by an exceptionally wet period May 29 through June 12. A statewide average of 9.03 inches fell during that period, compared to the usual 2.45 inches, which Hillaker called "probably the wettest 15 days in state history."

    The year's statewide average temperature of 45.8 degrees was 2 degrees below normal, making it the coldest year since 1996. Only September and November recorded warmer than normal temperatures.

    The year's coldest temperature was minus 30 Jan. 30 at Stanley in Buchanan County. Hawarden, in Sioux County just west of the Missouri River, was the state's hottest spot with 100 degrees Aug. 3 the year's only three-digit reading.

    The state's utilities felt the cooler weather, said Dave Koch, spokesman for Alliant Energy.

    "The cooler than normal summer did decrease electrical demand, which did decrease revenues," Koch said.

    The National Weather Service reports a preliminary total of 105 tornadoes in Iowa in 2008, tying 2001 for the second-greatest annual tornado total after 2004's 120. The average annual number of confirmed tornadoes since 1995 in Iowa is 56.

    So far, this winter is less snowy than last. Through Tuesday, Cedar Rapids had received 11.7 inches of snow in December containing 1.97 inches of moisture, compared to December 2007, when 19.2 inches of snow and 4.06 inches of moisture were recorded.
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    http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptics/Lindzen.htm

    Oh, and thanks for the update on Iowa's 2008 weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

    http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-274616db87e6
    How many support the opposite position and what is their evidence?

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    I believe in global warming
    And the earth is flat too.
    I know there's a link somewhere to confirm that

    Pete

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