Hey Remington....

[Hoosier]

There is no doubt that scholastic tests scores are socio-economic. Regardless of color. No grand statement of fact being revealed here.
I chose to pose my question on this thread rather than start a new one because discussion dealt with subject matter of race. My question has nothing to do with IQ, test scores or the like. If Presidential elections were held like a high school election, everyone same pot primary, top two to general, and term limits nonexistent would the black vote have fallen out the same Obama versus any president of your choosing (after allready having served) Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt, Reagan, Clinton whomever. I contend IMO that it would. Thoughts?

I think the vote is gonna go to who ever is gonna give them the most. The democrats have historically been that party. That been said if the republicans had ran a black canadate against say Bill Clinton they would have gotten a lot more of the black vote then the 5% or so they got in this last election. J.C Watts anyone. What happened to him. Loved that guy.

[Fire N Ice]

I think the vote is gonna go to who ever is gonna give them the most. The democrats have historically been that party. That been said if the republicans had ran a black canadate against say Bill Clinton they would have gotten a lot more of the black vote then the 5% or so they got in this last election. J.C Watts anyone. What happened to him. Loved that guy.

Thats why my original hypothetical eliminated parties. Dem versus Dem. Clinton (two termer) versus Obama. How does the vote go

[Hoosier]

Now, we could discuss MENSA, the brightest 1% who in general do not use the gift they were given, why's that?

Think of the smartest person you know. Would you want to work for that person. The person I know with the highest IQ sits in meetings playing around with and braiding a ball of yaks hair. All the while rocking like a psycho.

[Hoosier]

Thats why my original hypothetical eliminated parties. Dem versus Dem. Clinton (two termer) versus Obama. How does the vote go

I think Obama 95% black vote and 45% white. But thats just my opinion. I could be way off. If acorn were involved it could be 102% of both. Don't really think you can answer a question like that.

[Fire N Ice]

Think of the smartest person you know. Would you want to work for that person. The person I know with the highest IQ sits in meetings playing around with and braiding a ball of yaks hair. All the while rocking like a psycho.

LOL!!!! dude aint it the truth. Not a stitch of common sense!

[Fire N Ice]

I think Obama 95% black vote and 45% white. But thats just my opinion. I could be way off. If acorn were involved it could be 102% of both. Don't really think you can answer a question like that.

Me too. Same numbers. But like you said Acorn could screw up my whole theory and really try and register all voters!

[YardleyLabs]

Jeff - I don't have a lot of faith in those whose results are hard to measure. Though they may be very intelligent, they remind me of economists, only citing those areas where their conclusions fit the result.

An interesting statement given that this whole thread has become a discussion of how psychometric tests with limited proven applicability can explain why income seems to unduly follow racial lines. Having done a fair amount of economics as part of my graduate work, I became used to models that were capable of explaining 80% or more of observed variance. IQ, by contrast, has coefficients of variance closer to .3. I thought that an APA criticism of a psychometric test was pretty appropriate. In my experience, the biggest critics of IQ tests come from among those who administer them. They are useful in many ways, but need to be handled with care.

All my fellow 4th graders in Jacobus School, Sanborn County, SD also received engineering degrees, 1 attaining a Doctorate in Geological Engineering. We were taught by a lady who had graduated from HS that spring & spent 12 weeks in Normal School that summer. Is that something that is a quotable statistic - I don't think so,

We were all dirt poor, the only thing that was common is our parents (in my case - grandparents) were as responsible as you could be in the early '40s.

The chance of a person of higher IQ rising above their environment is greater than it is for those not endowed with that tool. In reverse, the chance of a person attaining a higher station because of their environmental circumstance is higher because they are learning from a stable atmosphere. JMO

I would agree if you amended your comments to refer to "smart people". My problem is that I think IQ measures only certain dimensions of intelligence. That's one of the reasons we see so many non-starters in organizations such as MENSA -- they tend to lack common sense and drive and fall in love with their own test scores instead.

That IQ will get you a teaching position in many K-12 programs. It is a fairly standard IQ of the K-12 establishment.

Now, we could discuss MENSA, the brightest 1% who in general do not use the gift they were given, why's that?

See above.

[Marvin S]

I chose to pose my question on this thread rather than start a new one because discussion dealt with subject matter of race.

Mike - I think most agree with your statement, that's why no answers. & the subject of race, most are uncomfortable with making statements that can be misconstrued.

What I would ask is "Why would a demographic vote En Masse for a party that does not want to see their children get a fair shake?" The D's know they have the black vote but they need to be careful that they don't make the Teachers Union unhappy or they will be drummed out of office. Hence, minimal opportunities for the children stuck in bad schools to leave that environment. TMO

[Joe S.]

What I would ask is "Why would a demographic vote En Masse for a party that does not want to see their children get a fair shake?"

Of course you would, Marv. The question that should be asked is "What is wrong with the Republican Party that it can only attract 5% of a given demographic?"

It is easy to blame the color of the skin of the voters. It is much more difficult for the Party Leadership to take the good long look in the mirror and see real problem...and then have the courage to take their party back.

Ray Charles Can See The Problem And He Is Blind And Dead Regards,

Joe S.

[Fire N Ice]

Mike - I think most agree with your statement, that's why no answers. & the subject of race, most are uncomfortable with making statements that can be misconstrued.

What I would ask is "Why would a demographic vote En Masse for a party that does not want to see their children get a fair shake?" The D's know they have the black vote but they need to be careful that they don't make the Teachers Union unhappy or they will be drummed out of office. Hence, minimal opportunities for the children stuck in bad schools to leave that environment. TMO

Marvin it is true that teachers unions are in the bag for the Dems. So your saying that teachers unions protect bad teachers, and vouchers are unavailable for removal of those students by parents whom although unlearned scholasticlly have the good common sense to deire their child better than they had, but are unafforded the opportunity because of the system?