Question: Bigger issue for sportsman

[brian breuer]

Thanks for the good discussion on this. I got sent on the road this week which adds 4 hours to my day so my time for contributions has been minimal.

I completely agree that it shouldn't be an either or issue. I only raised the (poorly worded) quesiton as to try and figure out which type of issue would be the most likely to decrease the level of our outdoors pursuits as we have them today.

In regards to Henry's comments, I think some "sportsman's" orgs are working towards crossing over. I was really pleased to see Morgan Freeman do his plug for DU. I also think the Rocky Mountain Elk foundation works hard on its mainstream image. Cooperation is key and I agree the moderates in both groups have very similiar goals.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Brian

[JS]

Marvin,
Yes, it is convenient to pigeon hole the "hook and bullet" crowd and the "enviro" crowd but in my experience with both of these groups there is an unfortunate disconnect which does not allow folks to usually recognize that they have 60-90% in common on the issues that would conserve their long-term interests. In my experience, it is mostly is due to misconceptions. The hook and bullet types assume the enviros are left wing radicals with PETA tendencies and the enviros assume the hook and bullet types just cling to their guns, etc.... snip ...

Excellent point Henry, and very well stated.

I have forever been bewildered by the divide between these two interests. Never been much of a fisherman but I have enjoyed most of my life in the outdoors hunting (mostly bird hunting), but also backpacking, hiking & climbing, canoeing & rafting, and for many years spent nearly all my vacation time on my bicycle. (Father Time has significantly scaled all that back! )

I guess I can understand the "enviros"' anti- "hook & gun" attitude more than vice versa. It's a selfish attitude, but at least I can understand how one can enjoy the outdoors without necessarily carrying a gun or tackle. I cannot perceive continued hunting and fishing opportunities in a diminishing environment. We need to understand that our grandkids will not have the opportunity to enjoy any of these things if we do not take care of the environment as well as we preserve our gun rights.

I guess it's like a lot of life. We can agree on almost everything really, but we look hard for those things where we disagree and work ourselves into a frenzy trying to "enlighten" the other side to our way of thinking.

How did we ever get to the moon?

JS

[Henry V]

How did we ever get to the moon?

JS

Did we?

[Steve Amrein]

The problem is that even groups like Boone and Crockett and Fair chase will throw other sportsmen under the bus when they don't like how game was killed. They were siding with HSUS in condemning tower shoots even though HSUS would ban ALL hunting if the chance was available. HSUS is a predator picking off not so popular forms of hunting with the end goal to be easier after most sportsmen have given up. The same goes for other outdoor sports such as mountain biking, Jet Skis and pleasure boating and off road vehicles.

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[Steve Amrein]

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