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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe S. View Post
    How do you legally stop a nation-state from aquiring nuclear weapons?
    Thanks for helping to prove the original point. You and others appear to be more concerned that we don't trample the "rights" of Iran to own a nuke than trampling the rights of a US citizen to own a full auto AR15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post
    Hint: less pictures, more dictionary. Start with the meaning of "strawman argument."
    I knew I didn't need to spell it out for you, Hew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post
    Thanks for helping to prove the original point. You and others appear to be more concerned that we don't trample the "rights" of Iran to own a nuke than trampling the rights of a US citizen to own a full auto AR15.
    Easy there, Hondo...the two are pretty much different animals.

    And we have agreed that full-auto weapons have been rightly and well regulated for the common good of the citizens of the United States since 1936 or so...

    How do you legally prevent another nation-state from getting nuclear weapons?

    It's OK if you say "If honest diplomatic efforts fail, short of war, I don't know how." Saying something like that would place you in the majority. Just understand that in the coming years MANY are going to be gaining access to dual use technology and it will become more and more difficult to take on the entire world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe S. View Post
    How do you legally prevent another nation-state from getting nuclear weapons?

    A Memeber Of The Majority Regards,

    Joe S.
    Trade embargos, naval blockades, Special Forces, overthrow gooberments…there are a multitude of ways to legally keep nations from obtaining nukes. It is done everyday mostly out of the new.Oh…and add a third way…let oil go from $150 a barrel to $49 a barrel apparently Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is whining about Iran’s economy waning…old crazy eyes is up for reelection next June…it will be a race to see if he gets murdered by his people before he loses an election.

    Joe,
    you said LEGALLY…you said nothing about MORALLY...don't confuse one has NOTHING to do with the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Johndrow View Post
    Trade embargos, naval blockades, Special Forces, overthrow gooberments…there are a multitude of ways to legally keep nations from obtaining nukes. It is done everyday mostly out of the new.Oh…and add a third way…let oil go from $150 a barrel to $49 a barrel apparently Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is whining about Iran’s economy waning…old crazy eyes is up for reelection next June…it will be a race to see if he gets murdered by his people before he loses an election.

    Joe,
    you said LEGALLY…you said nothing about MORALLY...don't confuse one has NOTHING to do with the other.
    Patrick, Patrick, Patrick...(kinda' like Judy-Judy-Judy only different...)

    According to the laws of the United States, it is illegal to foster the overthrow of a foreign government...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe S. View Post
    Patrick, Patrick, Patrick...(kinda' like Judy-Judy-Judy only different...)

    According to the laws of the United States, it is illegal to foster the overthrow of a foreign government...

    Just Sayin' Regards,

    Joe S.

    But the United States laws do not apply to citizens of other countries

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    Easy there, Hondo...


    And we have agreed that full-auto weapons have been rightly and well regulated for the common good of the citizens of the United States since 1936 or so...
    We did? I don't recall that meeting of the minds.

    According to the laws of the United States, it is illegal to foster the overthrow of a foreign government...
    Got Link? Good luck with that.

    If you recall, the term "regime change" was coined by Bill Clinton and was reflected in the Iraq Liberation Act he signed into law in '98. The purpose of the Iraq Liberation Act, you might ask? To foster the overthrow of a foreign government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post


    Got Link? Good luck with that.

    If you recall, the term "regime change" was coined by Bill Clinton and was reflected in the Iraq Liberation Act he signed into law in '98. The purpose of the Iraq Liberation Act, you might ask? To foster the overthrow of a foreign government.
    I was hoping someone would answer that question for me....
    because it sure seems like we are in Iraq to help overthrow a foreign gov't...even tho we have been told our being there is for other reasons...

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    Juli, you hit the nail on the head. We are "nation building" in Iraq.

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    If you are talking about the Martin incident, the public furor over his conviction has actually led to parliamentary debates on ways to broaden the rights of homeowners to defend themselves without fear of prosecution in cases in burglary. Under American law, Martin would be precluded from gun ownership because of his police and mental health record. How was the incident used to "strip gun owners of their rights"?
    He wouldn't have been precluded from gun ownership, just purchasing from a dealer. Anyone else could have purchased it, and gave it to him, legally.
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