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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson View Post
    it reads as if it is a post authored by Kevin with no reference to any source.
    Except in the thread title.

    That's what I thought it was. That's what those who complained to me thought it was.
    Then you did not read it and those who complained did not read it. The author lauds the pro animal rights credentials of the candidates. It would be absurd to think I wrote it. That is how John figured it out -- he read it.

    Why would you move a post without reading it?

    Kevin, again, I sincerely do hope you had a wonderful family Christmas. I hope 2009 is a great new year for you and yours.
    Same to you my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableLabs View Post
    Except in the thread title.


    Then you did not read it and those who complained did not read it. The author lauds the pro animal rights credentials of the candidates. It would be absurd to think I wrote it. That is how John figured it out -- he read it.

    Why would you move a post without reading it?


    Same to you my friend.
    Kevin, I read the thing.

    I thought you wrote it.

    I'm a dummy.

    You win!

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    P.S. The next time you choose to quote another periodical or news source, please make it clear that you are doing that. I'd suggest posting the link to the news site or other source.

    I'm not the only one who thought the original post was authored by Kevin.

    Thanks,

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    Thanks for posting this. While I can appreciate "the sky is falling" perspective on these appointments because of this HSUS statement, I believe a critical analysis reveals that the Ag. and Interior appointees are a mixed bag. From a hunting and habitat perspective, I am much more concerned that Big Ag and the mining industry really like these appointees (for example, see this article at http://www.hpj.com/archives/2008/dec...ppointment.cfm). To dig deeper on this, I suggest a search on "Vilsack/salazar appointment" and "agriculture" or "conservation" or "environment". A mixed bag of comments overall with the organic and sustainable agriculture folks also really disappointed with Vilsack. Salazar's opposition to the clean water restoration act is particularly disappointing from my perspective.

    For kicks, below is the HSUS statement that started this thread. I bolded some different text and added an italicized comment in one spot for your consideration. This illustrates the mixed bag on two of them, and no, I am not advocating for HSUS or their definition of "animal welfare".
    Obama's Animal Welfare Team

    President-elect Barack Obama announced two more Cabinet appointments today-perhaps the two most eagerly awaited appointments for animal advocates because of their relevance to the protection of domestic animals and wildlife. We congratulate former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, the next Secretary of Agriculture, and U.S. Sen. Ken Salazar of Colorado, the next Secretary of the Interior, who were both named earlier today. We also congratulate Lisa Jackson, whose appointment was formally announced earlier in the week to head the Environmental Protection Agency. These three members of Obama's team together will impact the lives of hundreds of millions of animals.

    Vilsack has a solid record on animal protection, and he was the top choice of HSUS and HSLF to lead the USDA, the agency that oversees our federal laws on animal welfare, humane slaughter and transport, horse protection, animal fighting, and others. Nearly 90,000 animal advocates contacted the transition team through our website, expressing how important it was to pick an animal-friendly Agriculture Secretary and recommending Vilsack as an excellent choice. The Obama Administration listened to your views, and this appointment demonstrates what an important voice animal advocates can have as a political constituency.
    Added comment in response to this paragraph: Holy crap, I wonder how many folks in the conservation/hunting community contacted the transition team through the websites of DU, PF, etc to make their voice heard?? Did it approach 90,000? Who did we and our organizations advocate for in this process??

    As governor of Iowa, Vilsack advocated for bills to toughen the state's penalties for animal fighting, and now he will lead the agency charged with enforcing the federal law to break up dogfighting and cockfighting rings. He stood up to the puppy mill industry and vetoed a bill in 2006 that would have weakened protections for pets by reclassifying dogs as "farm products." He also exhibited tremendous fortitude and adherence to principle when he vetoed legislation in 2001 that would have allowed the sport hunting of mourning doves for the first time in decades. Standing up to the NRA and the gun lobby in a big hunting state, he said at the time:

    The majority of Iowans do not support changing the current law to legalize dove hunting. My office has received contact from thousands of concerned Iowans regarding this issue, and my conclusion is that this policy is not right for our state at this time.

    Vilsack recognized the importance of protecting animals from cruelty and abuse, and the importance of public involvement in the decision-making process. He'll need that same principled leadership in enforcing the Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, the Animal Welfare Act, the Horse Protection Act, and other federal laws. We look forward to working with him to elevate animal protection, food safety and protection of the environment at USDA, which has consistently subverted these important considerations and sided time and again with the knee-jerk positions of agribusiness. He'll have a big role to play in how our nation confronts puppy mills, factory farming, predator control, the use of animals in research and testing, and other practices and industries that have compromised animal welfare.

    Salazar was a surprise choice for Interior, and wasn't one of the names pushed by animal advocates. His record on animal issues in the U.S. Senate has been mixed, scoring 0 on the Humane Scorecard for the 109th Congress, and 50 percent in the 110th Congress. He voted against legislation to ban horse slaughter in 2005, but in the current session he co-sponsored legislation to strengthen the penalties for animal fighting and signed onto a letter requesting increased funds for the adequate enforcement of animal welfare laws.He has received relatively high marks on environmental issues from the League of Conservation Voters, scoring 78 percent in the 109th Congress and 85 percent in the 110th Congress. But, again, as with animal advocates, Salazar was not on the list of preferred candidates for the environmental community. The President-elect passed over more strongly recommended candidates such as Reps. Raśl Grijalva and Jay Inslee.

    As Interior chief, Salazar will oversee the enforcement of wildlife protection laws such as the Endangered Species Act and the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, and will have authority for wildlife management practices on millions of acres of federal lands in national parks, national wildlife refuges, and Bureau of Land Management properties. We look forward to working with him, too, and addressing the major wildlife policy issues such as protecting threatened polar bears and other species from the impacts of global warming, deploying immunocontraceptive technology to manage wild horses and burros humanely on the range, and addressing the animal welfare and public safety risks of the exotic pet trade.

    Jackson led the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection, and was a leading animal advocate in the state. She rejected attempts by the NRA, Safari Club, and other trophy hunting groups to initiate a hunting season on New Jersey's small population of black bears, and she instead implemented a comprehensive program to solve bear conflicts with humane methods such as trash management and public education. We are pleased to have such an innovative leader at the helm of EPA, and we hope to work with her on continued efforts to prioritize the use of alternatives to animals in toxicity testing, to ensure strong penalties for pollution from factory farms and dismantle the Bush Administration's corporate giveaway that exempts them from having to report their massive toxic emissions.

    President-elect Obama has pledged to make progress for animal welfare and environmental stewardship, and we hope these appointees will prove to be an excellent team to help him meet these crucial goals. We congratulate the nominees, and look forward to working with the new Administration to confront the major challenges facing animals and the environment.
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