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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaBayDog View Post
    80% is actually pretty generous. It is documented in many sources that only 26 - 27% of the "Stimulus" will even be spent by th end of 2010.
    Can we see some of those 'sources'?

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    Based on what I have read so far I have probably been to generous to BHO.
    Read where?

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    If you look at all these "infrastructure" earmarks and Obama's call for shovel ready projects it is basically funding things communities have rejected to pay for themselves.
    Citation?

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    Go to any of 1000s small town papers online and look at what projects they are putting up for this money. Mostly pet projects for local politicians that were rejected by their tax payers.
    Can you show use a couple of those of those '1000s' of sources?

    Do you really hear/read this fiction somewhere, or is it your own invention?

    I would be interested to know where these fallacies originate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backpasture View Post


    Can you show use a couple of those of those '1000s' of sources?

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    Yes I could but maybe some lazy spoon fed liberals should actually start doing some research on their own. That's what I did, read local newspapers here and in Michigan where I am from, saw a trend, started local in other places, the trend continued, looked further, etc.

    You voted for a fallacy and it is rearing its ugly head and you have no answers I feel for you. Just don't say we didn't tell you so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backpasture
    Can you show use a couple of those of those '1000s' of sources?
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    Yes I could ......
    Great! Let's see a couple of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backpasture View Post
    Great! Let's see a couple of them.

    Source URL: http://www.freedomworks.org/publications/top-10-reasons-to-oppose-the-stimulus
    Links:
    [1] http://www.mackinac.org/archives/1998/sp1998-01.pdf
    [2] http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=515
    [3] http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx
    [4] http://jim.com/econ/chap02p1.html
    [5] http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html
    [6] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/09/AR2008120902785.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
    [7] http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp-economy-gdp&date=1992
    [8] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html
    [9] http://www.propublica.org/special/stimulus-bill-treemap
    [10] http://www.readthestimulus.org/
    [11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_basketball
    [12] http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/
    [13] http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/keynes/general-theory/
    [14] http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm2242.cfm
    [15] http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GDP.pdf
    [16] http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/hykKnw1.html
    [17] http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0112/015.html
    [18] http://republicanleader.house.gov/UploadedFiles/stimulusskeptics.pdf
    [19] http://www.nowallstreetbailout.com/
    [20] http://www.moneymuseum.com/standard_english/raeume/geld_machen/werkstatt/papiergeld/papierdruck/papierdruck_unten.html
    [21] http://www.cat o.org/special/stimulus09/cato_stimulus.pdf
    [22] http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/01/12/making-work-destroying-wealth/
    [23] http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed011509a.cfm
    [24] http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=109402
    [25] http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb_1208-51.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie R. View Post
    Source URL: http://www.freedomworks.org/publications/top-10-reasons-to-oppose-the-stimulus
    Links:
    [1] http://www.mackinac.org/archives/1998/sp1998-01.pdf
    [2] http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=515
    [3] http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx
    [4] http://jim.com/econ/chap02p1.html
    [5] http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html
    [6] http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/09/AR2008120902785.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
    [7] http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp-economy-gdp&date=1992
    [8] https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html
    [9] http://www.propublica.org/special/stimulus-bill-treemap
    [10] http://www.readthestimulus.org/
    [11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_basketball
    [12] http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/
    [13] http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/keynes/general-theory/
    [14] http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm2242.cfm
    [15] http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GDP.pdf
    [16] http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/hykKnw1.html
    [17] http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0112/015.html
    [18] http://republicanleader.house.gov/UploadedFiles/stimulusskeptics.pdf
    [19] http://www.nowallstreetbailout.com/
    [20] http://www.moneymuseum.com/standard_english/raeume/geld_machen/werkstatt/papiergeld/papierdruck/papierdruck_unten.html
    [21] http://www.cat o.org/special/stimulus09/cato_stimulus.pdf
    [22] http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/01/12/making-work-destroying-wealth/
    [23] http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed011509a.cfm
    [24] http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=109402
    [25] http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb_1208-51.pdf
    Some of the founding members of the right wing-nuttery (Cato, Heritage, etc), and a bunch of obscure links to... Midnight Basketball? Rankings of GDP by country? Keynesian econmonic theory (which supports the idea of a massive stimulus!)?

    Is this the 'if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****' approach?
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    Quote Originally Posted by backpasture View Post
    Some of the founding members of the right wing-nuttery (Cato, Heritage, etc), and a bunch of obscure links to... Midnight Basketball? Rankings of GDP by country? Keynesian econmonic theory (which supports the idea of a massive stimulus!)?

    Is this the 'if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****' approach?
    Here's a link to the actual house bill. Start reading, you will find things like a local dog park, water slides in FL, a new 3 million dollar club house for a municiple golf course and the list goes on and on.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_160569.html

    Oh, new cars, PELL grants (welfare), Food stamps (welfare), and on and on.
    Refundable tax credits (welfare).

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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaBayDog View Post
    Yes I could but maybe some lazy spoon fed liberals should actually start doing some research on their own. That's what I did, read local newspapers here and in Michigan where I am from, saw a trend, started local in other places, the trend continued, looked further, etc.

    You voted for a fallacy and it is rearing its ugly head and you have no answers I feel for you. Just don't say we didn't tell you so.
    that response is pathetic.

    if you have evidence or citations, throw them out so we can see. if not, stop stating things as fact. i really am interested in where you are getting your numbers from. not disagreeing like stated before, but have not seen anything to substantiate what you are saying is fact.
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    Backpasture

    Interesting that what you focused on was a couple of your personal boogiemen in an attempt to discredit the entire list of links. The list contained links from a variety of sources both left, right .gov and .edu. It would have been just as easy to focus on the .gov. .edu, and left wing news sources.

    I suppose if you donít want to discuss the merits with her that is a great tactic.

    Your bias is showing.


    Quote Originally Posted by backpasture View Post
    Some of the founding members of the right wing-nuttery (Cato, Heritage, etc), and a bunch of obscure links to... Midnight Basketball? Rankings of GDP by country? Keynesian econmonic theory (which supports the idea of a massive stimulus!)?

    Is this the 'if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull****' approach?
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    Ezackly.

    Get rid of those welfare programs like giving $1,000 tax credits to people who have children. Why should people pay for other folks' children?

    And free educations? PFFFFF--get rid of public schools. Why should taxpayers have to pay $6000 a year to educate some people's children?

    Get rid of these welfare programs. Why do we have to pay for some woman having 8 kids in one shot? Or even pay for a person having one kid? Why do people who have kids get tax credits and free public education? If you have kids, that's your responsibility and none of us should have to pay for their education or anything else.

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