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    Quote Originally Posted by K G View Post
    So Jeff...is that the way it's gonna be? BHO is NOT to be held accountable if Bush 43 did the opposite (or the same, depending on what the Dems need to bitch about) at ANY time during his administration?

    BHO said in his press "conference" (a staged address with planted questions...I loved it.....) that our current financial situation might not turn around regardless of what happens during his administration. Now if that is not setting us up to accept failure under his watch, I don't know what is......he's been in office three weeks and he's already telling us that failure will be the fault of the situation that he inherited.

    So that's what "change" is.....glad to know the current definition, 'cause that sure isn't what was being said when the campaign was going on.

    And I loved the comment from the woman from Elkhart, IN, who wanted to know when all that stimulus money was going to be coming to her town....did he leave them an IOU?

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    Was the press conference staged? I saw one conservative blog comment that said it was obviously staged because he had a carefully prepared speech in response to each question -- meaning, I assume, that it would have been better had he been unprepared? Another conservative site proclaimed that Fox News had been prevented from asking a question for the fifth time in a row at Obama press conferences. Presumably they know something about Major Garrett (The Fox News correspondent who asked a question about a biden comment) that the rest of us don't know.

    With respect to the "inherited" financial collapse, I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Is it that you believe it is not a problem or is it that you believe that the collapse was caused by the Obama administration?

    I also liked the Elkhart woman's question about how funds woud get to them. I thought his answer was pretty straight and not necessarily exactly what she would have liked him to say.

    The impression I get in reading these threads is that none of the complaints is real. If Obama said that 2 + 2 = 4, there would be a thread saying that Obama was once again trying to manipulate numbers to support a fantasy. If he didn't say it there would be a thread complaining that he was avoiding the numbers.

    I can understand if someone does not believe any stimulus program is needed, even though I disagree. I can understand if someone wants the stimulus program to be based primarily or solely on tax cuts, although I disagree and believe the data do not support that approach. I can understand the belief that we should do nothing to grow the deficit further, but do not understand if the same person wants the tax cuts to be made permanent despite the fact that they would add trillions to the deficit. Amazingly, those are the same people who call California "La La Land."

    There is little to discuss when issues are raised solely to make noise. There are a lot of real issues and they are pretty serious for most of us. I don't think that our current economic problems are going to be resolved in a manner that will please anyone from an ideological perspective.

    Obviously, a big part of the equation is whether or not there actually is a major problem at all. Do we actually believe that banks will collapse without support? Do we believe that enough banks will survive collapse to allow our financial system to continue to operate? Do we believe that the snowball effects of rising unemployment, collapsing consumer credit, collapsing business credit, massive business losses, and more layoffs will continue until unemployment hits Depression era levels? Do we believe that, if such problems are actually in our future, that they are the inevitable product of some long term business cycle and we should simply starve our way back to prosperity?

    Are any of these fair questions, or are they simply scare tactics to encourage the masses to vote their way into an atheistic, socialistic, communist dictatorship that will probably be run by homosexuals who will require all pregnancies to be terminated by abortion?

    With the exception of the last, I think these are fair questions. I may have thoughts about them, but I do not have answers and I doubt that the administration does either. Unfortunately, our options are to do nothing, with unknown consequences, or do something that may or may not work. Neither is a good option.

    Whatever happens, I suspect that most on this forum will complain in advance about whatever the administration does. Whatever happens, most on this forum will blame the administration if the economy gets worse and, if the economy gets better, most on this forum will say that it's proof of the strength of our system that it recovered despite whatever the administration did or, alternatively, that it recovered because of something done by GWB or the Republicans in Congress. Personally, I don't really care who gets the credit. I would like to see things get better than they are now. My suspicion is that things will get a lot worse first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Johndrow View Post
    Bush is gone...Your boy is on the stage now...lets do something whiners.

    Bush didnt even run in 2008...Bush was a disappointment to the Right as well.
    About 70% of Republicans approved of Bush at the time of the elections in the fall. That's still pretty strong support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    About 70% of Republicans approved of Bush at the time of the elections in the fall. That's still pretty strong support.
    I find it quite hard to believe that he had that much support from the republicans. I generally belong to that voting block and IMHO GW was a huge disappointment fiscally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    About 70% of Republicans approved of Bush at the time of the elections in the fall. That's still pretty strong support.
    I am far right brother...I find myself negotiating with other Republicans...you and I have about as much in common as Christians and Muslims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Johndrow View Post
    I am far right brother...I find myself negotiating with other Republicans...you and I have about as much in common as Christians and Muslims.
    I never would have guessed. And yet, we're both Americans and presumably we both come to this site primarily because we both love retrievers and the games they play.

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    Get used to it folks, If the Dems have any success, they will take sole credit / If they fail, they will fall back on the old, "we're still trying to undo the last 8 years"... sad but all too true. Like an earlier post mentioned... it's your show now, do something positive... ya know, like all the sunshine you sold to your voters during the Obamarama election campaign.

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    [QUOTE=backpasture;398208]- Obama is a Muslim

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    He can't be.there is to much PORK in his stimulus package
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    we're both Americans and presumably we both come to this site primarily because we both love retrievers and the games they play.



    Well hells bells …we should be getting together drinking beer and swapping stories about women…we are practically brothers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Was the press conference staged? I saw one conservative blog comment that said it was obviously staged because he had a carefully prepared speech in response to each question -- meaning, I assume, that it would have been better had he been unprepared? Another conservative site proclaimed that Fox News had been prevented from asking a question for the fifth time in a row at Obama press conferences. Presumably they know something about Major Garrett (The Fox News correspondent who asked a question about a biden comment) that the rest of us don't know.
    Yes the press conference was obviously staged. The reporters allowed to ask questions were selected beforehand and asked to provide the question(s) they wanted to ask in advance, so the staff could prepare answers for their leader. I suspect most of his press conferences will be more of the same. Would it be better if Obomo was unprepared? My opinion is, given how woefully unprepared this man is to hold any office, probably not; his 'off the cuff' remarks have done nothing to inspire confidence in him as he appears petulant and buffoonish when he's questioned off script.

    As for certain media being ignored, White House press staff do try to avoid reporters they know will make their man look bad. That's their job. But at some point the President has to be able to answer questions with some degree of knowlege, even ones that aren't supplied in advance. This president has not shown even a basic grasp of the subject matter at hand (what's in the stimulus package).

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