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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    People have flock here from all over the world for hundreds of years. They must have seen something they like.

    I love my country and all the hard working honest people but I loath our treasonous government and those who put the buck before the people.

    Pete
    Easy answer Pete. Stop re-electing the baskirds. If you feel to old, or unable to do so yourself, encourage someone in the next generation to enter public service. When your son, grandson or your nieghbors or friends son hits the bricks with that new MBA, Law degree or whatever, encourage them to run for office. It just has to start small. Village Council, School board, County Commision, Community development. If they make a good name for themselves, than maybe State Legislature, then who knows, maybe US Senator, Maybe even then, POTUS.

    Not as strange as it sounds,

    JD

    PS I too believe in this country, and I'm one of the other guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hookset View Post
    Yes or No?

    I vote yes, although I fear that we are on the decline.
    We still are...we will suffer the next four year and then things will get better and in ten years Obama (the community organgrinder) will be nothing more than a punch line that we will laugh at...this latest B.S. will set liberals back 50 years and for that I thank the Lord.


    First thing we do is take back the Republican Party and then the country.
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    Recieved via the same email as we all get:

    Op-Ed Columnist
    The Same Old Song
    By BOB HERBERT

    What’s up with the Republicans? Have they no sense that their policies have sent the country hurtling down the road to ruin? Are they so divorced from reality that in their delusionary state they honestly believe we need more of their tax cuts for the rich and their other forms of plutocratic irresponsibility, the very things that got us to this deplorable state?

    The G.O.P.’s latest campaign is aimed at undermining President Obama’s effort to cope with the national economic emergency by attacking the spending in his stimulus package and repeating ad nauseam the Republican mantra for ever more tax cuts.

    “Right now, given the concerns that we have over the size of this package and all the spending in this package, we don’t think it’s going to work,” said Representative John Boehner, an Ohio Republican who is House minority leader. Speaking on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Mr. Boehner said of the plan: “Put me down in the ‘no’ column.”

    If anything, the stimulus package is not large enough. Less than 24 hours after Mr. Boehner’s televised exercise in obstructionism, the heavy-equipment company Caterpillar announced that it was cutting 20,000 jobs, Sprint Nextel said it was eliminating 8,000, and Home Depot 7,000.

    Maybe the Republicans don’t think there is an emergency. After all, it was Phil Gramm, John McCain’s economic guru, who told us last summer that the pain was all in our heads, that this was a “mental recession.”

    The truth, of course, is that the country is hemorrhaging jobs and Americans are heading to the poorhouse by the millions. The stock markets and the value of the family home have collapsed, and there is virtual across-the-board agreement that the country is caught up in the worst economic disaster since at least World War II.

    The Republican answer to this turmoil?

    Tax cuts.

    They need to go into rehab.

    The question that I would like answered is why anyone listens to this crowd anymore. G.O.P. policies have been an absolute backbreaker for the middle class. (Forget the poor. Nobody talks about them anymore, not even the Democrats.) The G.O.P. has successfully engineered a wholesale redistribution of wealth to those already at the top of the income ladder and then, in a remarkable display of chutzpah, dared anyone to talk about class warfare.

    A stark example of this unholy collaboration between the G.O.P. and the very wealthy was on display in the pages of this newspaper on Jan. 18. The Times’s Mike McIntire wrote an article about the first wave of federal bailout money for the financial industry, which was handed over by the Bush administration with hardly any strings attached. (Congress, under the control of the Democrats, should never have allowed this to happen, but the Democrats are as committed to fecklessness as the Republicans are to tax cuts.)

    The public was told that the money would be used to loosen the frozen credit markets and thus help revive the economy. But as the article pointed out, there were bankers with other ideas. John C. Hope III, the chairman of the Whitney National Bank in New Orleans, in an address to Wall Street fat cats gathered at the Palm Beach Ritz-Carlton, said:

    “Make more loans? We’re not going to change our business model or our credit policies to accommodate the needs of the public sector as they see it to have us make more loans.”

    How’s that for arrogance and contempt for the public interest? Mr. Hope’s bank received $300 million in taxpayer bailout money.

    The same article quoted Walter M. Pressey, president of Boston Private Wealth Management, which Mr. McIntire described as a healthy bank with a mostly affluent clientele. It received $154 million in taxpayer money.

    “With that capital in hand,” said Mr. Pressey, “not only do we feel comfortable that we can ride out the recession, but we also feel that we’ll be in a position to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves once this recession is sorted out.”

    Take advantage, indeed. That, in a nutshell, is what the plutocracy is all about: taking unfair advantage.

    When the G.O.P. talks, nobody should listen. Republicans have argued, with the collaboration of much of the media, that they could radically cut taxes while simultaneously balancing the federal budget, when, in fact, big income-tax cuts inevitably lead to big budget deficits. We listened to the G.O.P. and what do we have now? A trillion-dollar-plus deficit and an economy in shambles.

    This is the party that preached fiscal discipline and then cut taxes in time of war. This is the party that still wants to put the torch to Social Security and Medicare. This is a party that, given a choice between Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan, would choose Ronald Reagan in a heartbeat.
    Why is anyone still listening?

    Indeed...why?

    JD
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    Easy answer Pete. Stop re-electing the baskirds. If you feel to old, or unable to do so yourself, encourage someone in the next generation to enter public service. When your son, grandson or your nieghbors or friends son hits the bricks with that new MBA, Law degree or whatever, encourage them to run for office. It just has to start small. Village Council, School board, County Commision, Community development. If they make a good name for themselves, than maybe State Legislature, then who knows, maybe US Senator, Maybe even then, POTUS.

    Not as strange as it sounds,

    JD

    PS I too believe in this country, and I'm one of the other guys.
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    I haven't been responsable for electin a president since George H Bush first term,,I didn't vote for him the 2nd time around.

    My kids hate politics and probably join a revolution just for the hell of it.

    I could,t handle running for office I would end up cold cockin my oponents if they got to close Or push them off the stage,,,, I don't handle people who lie through their teeth and smile at you and act so concerned about your life when in fact they are only concerned about your vote. You have to be a sneeky little weasle,,two faced forked tongue social pathic phycopathic charmer to get the votes..

    Would you vote for me if I ran.

    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
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    Would you vote for me if I ran.

    Pete
    Ya Pete, maybe. You certainly have the passion goin' for ya. Bitchin' on the political sub-forum of a retriever site isn't gonna make a difference now is it?

    JD
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    The question was simple. Yes or no?
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    Ya Pete, maybe. You certainly have the passion goin' for ya. Bitchin' on the political sub-forum of a retriever site isn't gonna make a difference now is it?

    JD Today 05:17 AM
    Someone provide me with the funds and I'm there

    I would give up what I love to turn the clock back a 100 years.

    Illegal drugs and alliens would come to a screetching halt in my first week.
    And so would goverment spending
    welfare people who are capable of working
    would be put on a work program 12 hours a day 6 days a week doing something
    Violent criminals would who are on on death roe would be euthinized the next day

    Prisons will be used for non violent scum bags


    Politicians will be put on trial and if found guilty of treason,,,executed the following day the ones that weren't treasonous but screwed the public will be thrown in jail

    Those that cry our civil rights have been violated will be ignored because they haven't been.
    Those that try to be honest and work to make ends meet will be glorified and protected from the domestic terrorists which will be forced back in to their closets.

    Incentives to keep businesses in the US will be istituted,

    forein countries will not be catered to
    The UN building wil be knocked down and a parking lot erected in its place.
    Most unions will go by the way side or shipped back to a socialist country where they belong

    We will continue to build the most elite fighting force and give all soldiers a pay raise
    We will take care of all our vets
    Obtuse social programs will seem like a an old childhood dream not really knowing if it really had occured.

    OK thats my first month or so

    Is there anything here that seems unamerican let me know
    I want do the best I can for the great people of our nation

    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    I don't know how anyone can call one country "the best" any more than I would know how to say one state is "the best." America is my home and my country. My family came here 335 years ago and members of my family fought in the Revolution, the Civil War, both World Wars, Korea, and Vietnam. I lived in many countries while I was growing up but never questioned the fact that this is my country, right or wrong. As a citizen, however, I also believe that it is my duty to try to make it better to the extent that I can. For me, America is best. I would hope that people from around the world feel the same about their own countries.
    great to see a measured response.how can anyone possible manage to have an informed opinion on what is the best country until they have lived in at least alot of them???
    if you wont tthe highest standard of living maybe we should move to luxenbourg or sweden
    the worlds best sporting country is currently south africa and it has some beautiful places to live.I might be wrong but the richest per capita might be monte carlo. the prettiest country in the world is New Zealand. I lived in Texas and nor cal for ten years and that was terriffic but there are plenty of places in the states that are a million miles from the best in the world
    I like australia but i hope i never fall victim to blind patriotism

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    Recieved via the same email as we all get:

    Op-Ed Columnist
    The Same Old Song
    By BOB HERBERT

    What’s up with the Republicans? Have they no sense that their policies have sent the country hurtling down the road to ruin? Are they so divorced from reality that in their delusionary state they honestly believe we need more of their tax cuts for the rich and their other forms of plutocratic irresponsibility, the very things that got us to this deplorable state?

    The G.O.P.’s latest campaign is aimed at undermining President Obama’s effort to cope with the national economic emergency by attacking the spending in his stimulus package and repeating ad nauseam the Republican mantra for ever more tax cuts.

    “Right now, given the concerns that we have over the size of this package and all the spending in this package, we don’t think it’s going to work,” said Representative John Boehner, an Ohio Republican who is House minority leader. Speaking on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Mr. Boehner said of the plan: “Put me down in the ‘no’ column.”

    If anything, the stimulus package is not large enough. Less than 24 hours after Mr. Boehner’s televised exercise in obstructionism, the heavy-equipment company Caterpillar announced that it was cutting 20,000 jobs, Sprint Nextel said it was eliminating 8,000, and Home Depot 7,000.

    Maybe the Republicans don’t think there is an emergency. After all, it was Phil Gramm, John McCain’s economic guru, who told us last summer that the pain was all in our heads, that this was a “mental recession.”

    The truth, of course, is that the country is hemorrhaging jobs and Americans are heading to the poorhouse by the millions. The stock markets and the value of the family home have collapsed, and there is virtual across-the-board agreement that the country is caught up in the worst economic disaster since at least World War II.

    The Republican answer to this turmoil?

    Tax cuts.

    They need to go into rehab.

    The question that I would like answered is why anyone listens to this crowd anymore. G.O.P. policies have been an absolute backbreaker for the middle class. (Forget the poor. Nobody talks about them anymore, not even the Democrats.) The G.O.P. has successfully engineered a wholesale redistribution of wealth to those already at the top of the income ladder and then, in a remarkable display of chutzpah, dared anyone to talk about class warfare.

    A stark example of this unholy collaboration between the G.O.P. and the very wealthy was on display in the pages of this newspaper on Jan. 18. The Times’s Mike McIntire wrote an article about the first wave of federal bailout money for the financial industry, which was handed over by the Bush administration with hardly any strings attached. (Congress, under the control of the Democrats, should never have allowed this to happen, but the Democrats are as committed to fecklessness as the Republicans are to tax cuts.)

    The public was told that the money would be used to loosen the frozen credit markets and thus help revive the economy. But as the article pointed out, there were bankers with other ideas. John C. Hope III, the chairman of the Whitney National Bank in New Orleans, in an address to Wall Street fat cats gathered at the Palm Beach Ritz-Carlton, said:

    “Make more loans? We’re not going to change our business model or our credit policies to accommodate the needs of the public sector as they see it to have us make more loans.”

    How’s that for arrogance and contempt for the public interest? Mr. Hope’s bank received $300 million in taxpayer bailout money.

    The same article quoted Walter M. Pressey, president of Boston Private Wealth Management, which Mr. McIntire described as a healthy bank with a mostly affluent clientele. It received $154 million in taxpayer money.

    “With that capital in hand,” said Mr. Pressey, “not only do we feel comfortable that we can ride out the recession, but we also feel that we’ll be in a position to take advantage of opportunities that present themselves once this recession is sorted out.”

    Take advantage, indeed. That, in a nutshell, is what the plutocracy is all about: taking unfair advantage.

    When the G.O.P. talks, nobody should listen. Republicans have argued, with the collaboration of much of the media, that they could radically cut taxes while simultaneously balancing the federal budget, when, in fact, big income-tax cuts inevitably lead to big budget deficits. We listened to the G.O.P. and what do we have now? A trillion-dollar-plus deficit and an economy in shambles.

    This is the party that preached fiscal discipline and then cut taxes in time of war. This is the party that still wants to put the torch to Social Security and Medicare. This is a party that, given a choice between Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan, would choose Ronald Reagan in a heartbeat.
    Why is anyone still listening?

    Indeed...why?

    JD
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    great to see a measured response.how can anyone possible manage to have an informed opinion on what is the best country until they have lived in at least alot of them???
    if you wont tthe highest standard of living maybe we should move to luxenbourg or sweden
    the worlds best sporting country is currently south africa and it has some beautiful places to live.I might be wrong but the richest per capita might be monte carlo. the prettiest country in the world is New Zealand. I lived in Texas and nor cal for ten years and that was terriffic but there are plenty of places in the states that are a million miles from the best in the world
    I like australia but i hope i never fall victim to blind patriotism Yesterday 03:06 PM
    If you ask the pigmy deep in the forest who make a drink out of fermented spitand many a shot of piss where is the best place to live they would probably say right under that mango tree.

    Where you live is usually where your heart is wheather its the getto or the wilderness.

    I would think the US has proven to be the place for people seeking a better life in the last 400 years.
    I m not sure if it is or will be for much longer

    I say live free or die where ever you might be.

    Pete

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