I have gone way off base to tell you the truth. I came here to BS hunting dogs and Labs in particular. I got caught up in the political banter that I try to stay away from. I should have seen the flags when I read how some people don't consider the English style labs true hunters. Typical , your "what I say is right, is right" attitudes is right on base for why I don't get involved in Republican/Democrat debates. Shit, half you people didn't even train your own damn dogs, shelling out 3 4 even 5 hundred a week to have some "pro" trainer do what you should be doing yourself, and might even try to do yourself if your ego-maniacal personalities weren't so damn concerned about getting some letters after your dogs names, so you can come on here and sound off about how well your dog did, having no part in getting Him/Her there. I am really surprised half of you here (not all but at least half) didn't buy pointers. Labs are water dogs, , stocky, thick tailed dogs that where bred for "water work". And I got some bad news for you, doesn't matter how "blocky" a dogs head is when its retrieving a bird from water, a boxer could bring in a duck. See, thin, lanky long nosed labs are great for upland game but then again, so are pointers. I guess what I'm trying to say is I know the type..$40,000 dollar truck that has never seen a corn field, $2000 O/U..Blaze orange that doesn't have a drop of blood on it, and a $1000 dog with $1500 worth of pro training into it. I guess its more of a "status" thing for most of you, when it should be a love for the breed and a love for hunting thing. I hope your dogs bring you everything you hoped for, and don't take it out on them if they don't win titles for you. Enjoy pasting all the quotes.