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The local skill set is geared to extraction especially mining. If the economy tanks mining goes down all over--globally these days. There isn't too much of an option left if you have been wrestling mine timbers or side hill gouging for a living unless you want to work in a car wash somewhere at minimum wage. You can't keep a family together on that.
Of course, a few with education get away. We lose the Kelly Johnson's (Lockheed), Glen Seaborg's (Atomic Energy Commission), Paul Kangas's (PBS Evening Business Report). They take their skills elsewhere. Educated kids don't stick around because the future is better elsewhere. It kills the family ties.
Last edited by Lush Lumbago; 03-02-2009 at 09:53 AM.
Bail out the American automakers, but drastically gut the UAW, which is the cause for the American automakers not being competitive any more.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson
I understand that, however, are you saying that since these people only seem to know one thing that they should be able to do that for the rest of their lives? I have no idea how much ore there is up there, but at some point it seems that it would run out (maybe not in our lifetime) and then what? Isolation is not an excuse. Ever call Dell? Not exactly in the middle of downtown Manhattan now is it? We had a very similar issue here with mullet fishermen back in the late 80’s when the state banned gill netting. Entire communities were mullet fishermen and that was the only skill set many of them had. They too were located in relatively remote places with their own language as well. Guess what. They all adapted and got other skills. Some stayed in commercial fishing and others went into the mainstream jobs. Stuff happens. I myself use to own a construction company many, many years ago. Anyone can tell you that construction in Florida has great highs and devastating lows. I had enough of the constant swings and went back to school and moved on to something far more stabile.
Are you suggesting that the government subsidize an industry because people refuse to adapt?
Look I don’t mean this as a personal attack on the fine folks of the UP or anywhere else. I am just saying you must adapt or die regardless of who you are or what you do.
I understand it is not easy, but then again nothing worth having is easy to get. Going back to school is not for everybody and with the current situation jobs in anything are hard to find. All I am saying is that you can't prop up an industry only becasue it will affect people. I don't mean that if it closes tomorrow that all the people you speak of could move into something else, but I am saying they should all be planning for the future and that may not include what they do now. Heck for that matter it might not include what I currently do.
BTW- I am in Florida now, but that does not mean that I have always been here as far as work goes. Even worse is that if my current job goes away I will more than likely have to move at the very least out of the area and more likely well out of state
Most people here with a family to support can't afford to go back to school.
What happens to us is going to be repeated on a humungous scale country wide. The auto industries are tied to just about every segment of the society. You can prime the pump or you can pay unemployment and welfare. Or you might support a massive retraining program. Which is cheaper? Anyway you slice it the depression is going to take massive expenditures to dig out.
Jobs give dignity as well as a paycheck. I rather see people working and producing.
There is a pent up demand for cars. But you are not going to sell cars when people with 700+ FICO scores are refused a car loan. That $5 billion in bonuses that went to one banking company's execs would have helped buy a lot of cars.
Last edited by Lush Lumbago; 03-02-2009 at 10:47 AM.
There isn't much dignity in a welfare check.
The Big3 can not be fixed, not with the UAW involved! We will always be throwing tax payer money at them to keep them afloat.
AS SOMEONE ELSE POINTED OUT, WE ARE NOT SAVING THE BIG 3. WE ARE SAVING THE UAW. Can you say, "political payback".
Last edited by Franco; 03-02-2009 at 11:43 AM.
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