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    Historically the KKK has been associated with the Democrats as they were in charge in the South from the end of the war of the Northern Aggression up until RMN and the GOP began to win elections in the South. In fact the senior Dem Senator is a former member. George Wallace, Lester Maddox and Orville Faubus were all Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gutermuth View Post
    Historically the KKK has been associated with the Democrats as they were in charge in the South from the end of the war of the Northern Aggression up until RMN and the GOP began to win elections in the South. In fact the senior Dem Senator is a former member. George Wallace, Lester Maddox and Orville Faubus were all Democrats.
    You are absolutely right. And when the Democrats began to distance themselves from the racial policies that had previously been tolerated in the interests of party unity, the southern strategy was developed to peel those interests away and bring them into the Republican tent.

    That was the heart of the Southern Strategy and it successfully moved those interests to the Republican side of the vote. That is a matter of historical fact. To leap from that fact to accusations that the Republican Party is trying to lead us to a KKK dominated country is ridiculous, as I stated. However, it makes as much sense as saying that the Democrats are trying to lead us to a socialist/communist dominated state, which was the point of my comment.

    For what little it's worth, you can also count my grandfather, who died in 1933, among those who previously belonged to the KKK. That was the impetus for my father's becoming a civil rights activist in the 1940's and 1950's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Your logic is comparable to my saying that Republicans have embraced the KKK as an inherent component of their Southern Strategy since Reagan and that therefore Republicans are leading us towards a KKK dominated country where slavery will once again be allowed. Mind you, I would never say this because it is idiotic. However, it is at least as rational and as fact based as the hysterical claims that Democrats are embracing socialism and communism and seeking to turn our country into a new communist dictatorship which seems to be the gist of your concerns.

    Personally, I believe our country can live with both the bigotry of the extreme left and the bigotry of the extreme right as long as neither is put in charge. I believe that Republicans have already given too much power to the extreme right and it cost them the election. If Democrats do the same with the extreme left, they will lose the next election.
    I would say your comparison of communists on the left to the KKK on the right is specious at best but that would give it any credence at all.

    The KKK in the United States is a pariah everywhere they go. They and their beliefs are rejected by the right. Communists on the other hand are embraced by the left. Both communists and democrats call themselves progressives and the meanings and goals are the same.

    I expect I could provide links and the like but why bother, you know, it is true. European style socialism in not outright communism is the goal of the democrat party.

    I expect your bigotry comment was directed at me. It’s OK. If rejecting communism and embracing capitalism makes me a bigot, so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    However, it is at least as rational and as fact based as the hysterical claims that Democrats are embracing socialism and communism and seeking to turn our country into a new communist dictatorship which seems to be the gist of your concerns.
    Do you believe what we are seeing is a free market & sensible approach to the problems that were presented to us by the ruling class?

    Personally, I believe our country can live with both the bigotry of the extreme left and the bigotry of the extreme right as long as neither is put in charge. I believe that Republicans have already given too much power to the extreme right and it cost them the election. If Democrats do the same with the extreme left, they will lose the next election.
    Bigotry is never acceptable - but we find it in very strange places which are neither extreme nor associated with politics.

    I need an explanation of what you consider extreme right as I see none of those in power.

    But if you are saying the extreme left is not in charge in our nations capital, I would have to say you need to clean your glasses. It's as extreme as I believe the nation has ever seen. I consider cheating on the census & a payoff to your constituency as a blatant attempt to cement power for whatever reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    I would say your comparison of communists on the left to the KKK on the right is specious at best but that would give it any credence at all.

    The KKK in the United States is a pariah everywhere they go. They and their beliefs are rejected by the right. Communists on the other hand are embraced by the left. Both communists and democrats call themselves progressives and the meanings and goals are the same.

    I expect I could provide links and the like but why bother, you know, it is true. European style socialism in not outright communism is the goal of the democrat party.

    I expect your bigotry comment was directed at me. It’s OK. If rejecting communism and embracing capitalism makes me a bigot, so be it.
    I actually don't know any members of what you routinely call the "left" (most that you describe, including me, are pretty moderate) that has any interest in communism at all as a viable philosophy for our government. The continuous efforts of what I would call the radical right -- which I believe by my definition would include you -- to label everyone to the left of Reagan as a communist is simply a name-calling tactic appealing to knee jerk emotions when facts and logic fail. The fact is that communism as an economic strategy has almost no significant adherents left in the world.

    If you choose to classify as socialism any efforts to share economic burdens across economic groups to provide some form of social safety net, then it is equally true that there is no significant government in the world that has not adopted some form of such socialism. Pure, unadulterated capitalism is as unworkable as pure communism. For that matter, most "isms" fail miserably when measured against the complexities of life.

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    I do not wish to see a one party state as envisioned by Karl Marx, Adolph Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Sadam Hussein, Carl Rove or anyone else. As messy as it is, the country needs both parties to keep each other honest.

    But Democrats = Communists, Subroc? I hardly think so. They are doing something a more than a bit risky right now in an attempt to bring the country around. Will it work? I dunno. At least they are doing something. But most Democrats believe in the greatness that is ours in this country as much as most Republicans. Because the Dems are attempting something counter to your personal belief does not make them communists.

    But, in the end we shall know whether they are dunces or geniuses. It will be the people who will decide that in the electorial process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus3925 View Post
    I do not wish to see a one party state as envisioned by Karl Marx, Adolph Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Sadam Hussein, Carl Rove or anyone else. As messy as it is, the country needs both parties to keep each other honest.

    But Democrats = Communists, Subroc? I hardly think so. They are doing something a more than a bit risky right now in an attempt to bring the country around. Will it work? I dunno. At least they are doing something. But most Democrats believe in the greatness that is ours in this country as much as most Republicans. Because the Dems are attempting something counter to your personal belief does not make them communists.

    But, in the end we shall know whether they are dunces or geniuses. It will be the people who will decide that in the electorial process.
    You are absolutely right. They are socialists. Socialists are just communists that haven't gotten it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpaschal30 View Post
    You are absolutely right. They are socialists. Socialists are just communists that haven't gotten it right.
    zzzzzzzzzzz.........somebody else is still dreaming.

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    Your knowledge about different subjects is incredable. Or do you google or this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    I believe that Republicans have already given too much power to the extreme right and it cost them the election.
    LOL. Well, you also believe that you're a moderate.

    George W. Bush, John McCain, Michael Steele....a triumvirate of exterme right wingers, they. Go sell crazy somewhere else...we're all full up here.
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