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Thread: Is This What You Expect In Junior

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    Forced to use a small pond the Junior judges set up two series that both had the same starting line, both were a combo water/land and handlers were told on both series to make sure their dog got wet or handle them into the water. The first series had a 30 yard run to the heart of the pond while the second just clipped an edge of the pond.

    Question: Are Junior dogs expected to be decheated and handled "if they don't get wet?"

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    The short answer? No.

    The long answer? He!! no.

    This is a perfect example of judges letting the test run them instead of them running the test. Handling is allowed in Junior, on one mark. It is not REQUIRED. To instruct Junior handlers to handle their dogs if they cheat the water is a cop-out. If you can't set up a test to PROPERLY test dogs at the test level you accepted, don't accept the invitation to judge.

    Inviting junior dogs to commit a Moderate fault because of the test design is a GREAT representation of poor test setup.

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    What Keith said.
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    Totally agree with KG. Sounds like a horrible set-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K G View Post
    This is a perfect example of judges letting the test run them instead of them running the test. Handling is allowed in Junior, on one mark. It is not REQUIRED. To instruct Junior handlers to handle their dogs if they cheat the water is a cop-out. If you can't set up a test to PROPERLY test dogs at the test level you accepted, don't accept the invitation to judge. kg
    It's my understanding that this pair of judges have a reputation for setting up cheaty tests in Junior. Go figure.

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    It is too much to expect a junior dog to take an angle entry into any water. Such a test is an invitation to cheat and consequently more cheating problems in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Archer View Post
    It's my understanding that this pair of judges have a reputation for setting up cheaty tests in Junior. Go figure.

    Her name wouldnt be Tina would it? There are quite a few people that shy away from test around here when her name appears on the premium.


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    This is the exact reason that more people are not running JH until their dogs are thru swimby and de cheating. As sad situation.
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    Might pi@@ the judges off, but I might let them throw a bird and then just say thanks and walk off.
    Bad set up, bad judgement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K G View Post
    The short answer? No.

    The long answer? He!! no.

    This is a perfect example of judges letting the test run them instead of them running the test. Handling is allowed in Junior, on one mark. It is not REQUIRED. To instruct Junior handlers to handle their dogs if they cheat the water is a cop-out. If you can't set up a test to PROPERLY test dogs at the test level you accepted, don't accept the invitation to judge.

    Inviting junior dogs to commit a Moderate fault because of the test design is a GREAT representation of poor test setup.

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