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    Re-read the news headline.

    President Obama's plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs for the treatment of troops injured in service has infuriated veterans groups who say the government is morally obligated to pay for service-related medical care.

    Calling it a "desperate search for money at any cost," Craig Roberts, media relations manager for the American Legion, told FOXNews.com on Tuesday that the president will "wish away so much political capital on this issue" if he continues to insist on private coverage for service-related injuries.

    Cmdr. David K. Rehbein of the American Legion, the nation's largest veterans group, called the president's plan to raise $540 million from private insurers unreasonable, unworkable and immoral.

    "This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate 'to care for him who shall have borne the battle,' given that the United States government sent members of the Armed Forces into harm's way, and not private insurance companies," Rehbein said late Monday after a meeting with the president and administration officials at the Veterans Affairs Department.

    "I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service-connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America's veterans," Rehbein said.

    Roberts said that 11 veterans service organizations were told to come up with another plan if they didn't like this one. The groups met on Monday with Obama, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki and Office of Management and Budget defense spending chief Steven Kosiak.

    "What we've been tasked with now is to raise this money through alternative means and we're supposed to have a conference call in two or three days ... with Rahm Emanuel. So the implication was ... you guys come up with a better idea or this is what's going to happen," Roberts said.

    A call to the White House was not immediately returned. But a summary of the proposed budget says the president wants to increase funding for VA by $25 billion over five years, and bring more than 500,000 eligible veterans of modest income into the VA health care system by 2013.

    "The president's avowed purpose in doing this is to, quote, 'make the insurance companies pay their fair share,'" Roberts said. But he said it will raise premiums, make insurance unaffordable for veterans and impose a massive hardship on military families. It could also prevent small businesses from hiring veterans who have large health care needs, he said.

    "It's not the Blue Cross that puts soldiers in harm's way, it's the federal government," Roberts said, adding that the American Legion would like the existing system to remain in place. Service-related injuries currently are treated and paid for by the government. The American Legion has proposed that Medicare reimburse the VA for the treatment of veterans.

    He said that the argument about the government's moral obligation to treat wounded soldiers, sailors and Marines fell on deaf ears during the meeting.

    "The president deflected any discussion when it got into any moral issue here," he said. "Any attempt to direct the conversation (to the moral discussion) was immediately deflected."

    Private insurance is separate for troops who need health care unrelated to their service. But Roberts noted that if a wounded warrior comes back and needs ongoing treatment, he or she could run up "to the max of the coverage in very short order," leaving his family with nothing

    Roberts added that how the plan would raise $540 million "is a great mystery and it seems to be an arbitrary number. ... The commander said it seemed like this phantom number."

    Monday's meeting was preceded by a letter of protest earlier this month signed by Rehbein and the heads of 10 service organizations. It read that "there is simply no logical explanation" for the plan to bill veterans' personal insurance "for care that the VA has a responsibility to provide."

    The letter called it "unconscionable" to shift the burden of the country's "fiscal problems on the men and women who have already sacrificed a great deal for this country." Rehbein testified to both the House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees on those same points last week

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    Quote Originally Posted by labraiser View Post
    So let me get this right? You go fight for your country, you get injured. You have to get some of the cost coved by private insurance? So at my job I work for a large company, So if i get injured, i get workman's comp and pay nothing for all medical services. How can this be justified by this f----- up adminstration!!!

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    NO. Your level of care is exactly the same now as before. If you have private insurance, whatever can be billed to that insurance will be. If you don't it doesn't matter.

    Either way, there is no copay, no deductible, etc. The level of care stays the same. It is just a way for the DOD to recoup some of the cost of care by billing the insurance companies of soldiers that have outside insurance.

    Your job at a large company / workman's comp has nothing to do with this. I have no idea where you got that.

    NOTHING CHANGES FOR THE SERVICEMAN.

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    I was just making the comparison of the military to a private job. I still don't think it's right for the Adminstration to do this. In the end it will drive up cost for all of us.

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    All of these things are the "change he promised!"

    You just didn't know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labraiser View Post
    I was just making the comparison of the military to a private job. I still don't think it's right for the Adminstration to do this. In the end it will drive up cost for all of us.
    I don't understand. It actually reduces the burden on the taxpayer.

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    What do insurance companies do when they have to put out more? They raise the rate for ALL policy holders. Insurance companies project their cost and spread the cost to all policy holders. Why do you think most home owners cost went up after 911 and katrina.

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    Paying for the medical costs of a wounded vet is not a burden, its part of the price of being a citizen.

    When I was a cop, if I got hurt on the job workmans compensation paid the bill, not my private insurance, why should private insurance pick up the tab for a vet wounded serving his country?

    Its a shame you cannot impeach a a govt official for stupidity, the one who thought this up must be a real genius.
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    As one "in the program" for a few decades, I'd like to say the VA in my area is providing me with excellant health care. They take care of me locally, except for major surgery, which is done in the larger markets. (Ft. Snelling in St. Paul for our region)

    OR...as I opted to do when I needed orthoscopic surgery, cataract surgery, heart surgery, I had it done outside the VA, where my personal health insurance was used. This was more costly for me, but it was my option, and I chose to forgo traveling to the Twin Cities, and have the operations done locally.

    After a recent VA CT scan, I was diagnosed with AAA. We are in the "wait and watch" period of treatment, but when the time comes for surgery, I will again opt to have it done locally. At that time I will again pick up the costs of the co-pay that isn't covered by Medicare or my supplemental health care policy, as I did previously without any Medicare at those times.

    I have no problem with these arraingements. I'm grateful for all the VA has done for me.

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    Could not agree with you more Bob. Obama will be remembered as the worst socialist pres we ever had or will have.

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    A burden on the taxpayer? That's great.

    Obama should just change the military's Oath of Office. Something like this...

    "I, PFC Burden, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; and that I will try not to be a burden to the same."...so help me God.

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