slow sits

[Juli H]

I was thinking about slow sits and the e-collar the other day....after reading some previous posts..

If your timing of the collar correction falls exactly as the dog is sitting (just before the butt touches the ground) will this lead to slow sits? Does the dog associate the correction with 'almost' sitting and not want to put himself in that position? And if you use continuous pressure, rather than a nick, does it make sense that this could make slow sits even worse?

Juli

[labhauler]

Where and when are you getting slow sits?
If you're blowing the sit whistle and not getting the speedy response but a slow reluctant sit, nick with collar - not continuous . Start on Low and if you don't get a good response, use the next level button.- if you are using a 3 regularly - use that same #. As you nick- Say "SIT".
It doesn't happen immediately. You should get a good response in one session if you keep at it on all the sits in that training session.
You shouldnt have to keep saying "Sit" after a couple of higher nicks.
When you see the dog sitting faster be sure to give lots of praise for the Sit before your next command.
Keep praising!

[Juli H]

I am not getting slow sits...I just find myself thinking about different training issues..reading posts here and elsewhere, talking to people....It dawned on me that the timing of correction could actually be the cause of slow sits, loopy sits, etc....

Juli

[Lisa Van Loo]

I am not getting slow sits...I just find myself thinking about different training issues..reading posts here and elsewhere, talking to people....It dawned on me that the timing of correction could actually be the cause of slow sits, loopy sits, etc....

Juli

Not if the dog is properly collar conditioned.

Lisa

[Juli H]

kinda what I was referring to.... if timing during cc is not correct - you end up with the wrong kind of response...

slow fetch,
slow sit,
slow here...

A lot of people mistake slowness with lack of pressure (not enough) or maybe even too much - which is probably the case some of the time...but how often should it actually be attributed to incorrect timing?

Juli

[Lisa Van Loo]

kinda what I was referring to.... if timing during cc is not correct - you end up with the wrong kind of response...

slow fetch,
slow sit,
slow here...

A lot of people mistake slowness with lack of pressure (not enough) or maybe even too much - which is probably the case some of the time...but how often should it actually be attributed to incorrect timing?

Juli

Slow sits/no sits are usually a product of the dog being loose. Usually caused by the handler casting too fast, and the terminal result is a dog that autocasts.

Ask Me How I Know Regards;

Lisa

[labhauler]

Slow sits/no sits are usually a product of the dog being loose. Usually caused by the handler casting too fast, and the terminal result is a dog that autocasts.

Ask Me How I Know Regards;

Lisa

No sits I agree with the above. Slow sits are different and are the result of timing. Absolutely.
Practice, practice and you'll get to Carnegie Hall- or at least you'll get your dog to sit promptly.
You do need this because as you may have noticed (!) if the dog has a sloppy stop and a slow sit it will be way offline to the blind or mark. Plus it is a way of blowing you off.

[labhauler]

The timing is so essential as Juli says.
If the dog is slow sitting after the first coupla nicks and the verbal Sit, then as it is sitting, nick. It does understand. Just doesnt want to break momentum or work with you.

You can try running a line to a known blind and stop several times on the way and use this system. Then repeat it letting the dog line the blind so you dont create a popping problem.
On the repeat,look for the dog's ears- if it is turning its head to listen for the whistle, just let it run. If it slows down or turns to stop without a command , you need a loud Back and possibly a nick.

[moscowitz]

What would you do for a sloppy sit without a collar correction as one of your tools?
Would you walk on lead at heal whistle then crop until he sat faster and would that translate to the field?

Nice topic Juli

[Gun_Dog2002]

Low level continuous direct pressure i've found can result in a slow sits. I prefer to use a momentary nick, as in CC a dog initially. If the CC is good, and you're seeing slow sits in the field, then go do BB blind and half way to bumper blow a sit whistle immediately followed by another whistle and the momentary nick. This works well for loopy sits and dogs that don't sit square. Few days to a week of this will establish a new standard, with an enforceable method when you return to field work.

/Paul