A friend of mine let me borrow a pvc winger he had laying around. I looked at it and decided to build one just like it. All I have now is the frame will be picking up the pouches in the morning from a friend of mine. Now waiting on the rubbers. The one my friend lent me works great he also has it wired for remote launch. I do not need that at this time I have two boys at home. Has anyone else ever done this or used one just curious.