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Thread: do we REALLY need live birds?

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    Default do we REALLY need live birds?

    the whole thread about live birds or freshly killed birds got me to thinking..

    obviously I am not an animal hugger (taxidermist, regards)


    Are live birds (fliers) reall, absolutely, 100% essential to proving our retrievers 'have what it takes'?

    could the option of live fliers be made available to clubs, so that - in places like Alaska - our clubs could actually, maybe, not go deeper into the hole due to high bird costs?

    no getting nasty allowed...honest and well thought opinions wanted.

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    Live fliers are fun but not necessary for the testing of dogs. Dogs that actually hunt, IMHO, are not overly affected by live fliers, they see hundreds of them every year.
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    It seems live birds are more representative to a real hunting situation.
    (Unless you hunt dead birds)
    I think the dogs kinda like them.

    However, not absolutely essential.
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    IMHO, flyers add a whole different dimension to tests that otherwise dead birds do not.

    They are more exciting.

    Their placement in the test often directly affects the dog(s) in terms of memory, lack thereof, suction and a whole host of things that dead birds do not begin to approach in the same manner.

    Flyers in the test are also more apt to challenge overall focus, concentration, steadiness...to and for the dog...

    This is just for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickie Lamb View Post
    IMHO, flyers add a whole different dimension to tests that otherwise dead birds do not.

    They are more exciting.

    Their placement in the test often directly affects the dog(s) in terms of memory, lack thereof, suction and a whole host of things that dead birds do not begin to approach in the same manner.

    Flyers in the test are also more apt to challenge overall focus, concentration, steadiness...to and for the dog...

    This is just for starters.

    Thanks for reading.
    Nicely stated, I completely agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vickie Lamb View Post
    IMHO, flyers add a whole different dimension to tests that otherwise dead birds do not.

    They are more exciting.

    Their placement in the test often directly affects the dog(s) in terms of memory, lack thereof, suction and a whole host of things that dead birds do not begin to approach in the same manner.

    Flyers in the test are also more apt to challenge overall focus, concentration, steadiness...to and for the dog...

    This is just for starters.

    Thanks for reading.
    This is how I feel also about this...I think live flyers are needed. =)

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    Juli if you run a UKC test you will not have a flyer , AKC you will get a flyer and Vickie is right ,,,,,,Sterlings Flyer was a sure test on being steady as the first 3 shots missed and by the time the 4th connected her bird was no where near the rest , it made for a very interesting mark .
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    and would you be willing to pay an extra $50 to run a test so that you could have your two live fliers, as required?

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    Vickie is dead on . 'specially on steadiness.
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    If flyers were not needed dogs would not have such problems with them.
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