The RetrieverTraining.Net Forums The Retriever Academy
Total Retriever Training with Mike Lardy
Hawkeye Media Gunners Up Tritronics Outdoor Media
Page 3 of 12 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 119

Thread: A question for conservatives

  1. #21
    Senior Member Hew's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    2,082

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Booty View Post
    No, I don't consider Ron Reagan a real Conservative. He fails in the, "fiscally responsible" category.
    Alrigiiiiiihty then.

  2. #22
    Senior Member K.Bullock's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Coshocton, OH
    Posts
    545

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hookset View Post
    Tom,
    Why NOT polygamy? As far as perverts and minors go, we are discussing consenting adults. Most states do not allow minors to marry. I don't see the strength of that argument.

    Mr Booty,
    I think you and I are of like mind on this non-issue.

    Eildydar,
    I don't want may tax dollars paying for anyone's health care, gay or straight, unless they are military, law enforcement or some other necessary government employee.

    In my opinion, the only role government should have in the religious institution of marriage is to figure out how to lawfully divvy up the loot in the event of divorce. The same rules should apply regardless of gender of either or both parties.

    For the life of me, I just don't get why some folks expend effort fighting gay marriage while our country is being converted from a nation founded on individual liberty into a socialist nanny state. The ship is slowly sinking and we're complaining about the music.

    If it was just about individual liberties of just gay people I think it would be simpler, but it isn't. For those in opposition to gay marriage it is more involved.

    Issues range from sociological to religious. To sum it all up on an internet forum is unrealistic and to decide which side of the fence your on just from a few internet posts doesn't really seem the best way to form an opinion on something.

    For me the biggest reason I oppose gay marriage is the serious legal consequences and threats to religious liberty if marriage is redefined by the courts, as well as the consequences that will face future generations that stray from the norm.

    We are already experiencing the consequences of the sexual revolution of the sixties that changed our societal norm from sex being for procreation and marital unity to being a a personal pleasurable experience a form of personal expression.

    Yes, their have always been homosexuals and other deviations of the norm but not until the sexual revolution was sex as a personal expression, viewed as a societal norm.


    Check out data from European countries that have already experimented with same sex union, when the traditional family decreases societal ills increase. You can Google the same stuff I can if your really interested.


    Don't forget your country was founded by Christians that were persecuted everywhere else for their religion. It was not founded for anybody that felt like violating any natural law or societal norm they felt like. It sometimes seems to me that the libertarians would rewrite early American history as one big pagan burning man festival where drugs and sex flow liberally out of Independence Hall. It's not so.
    Why doesn't glue stick to the inside of the bottle?

  3. #23
    Senior Member Franco's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Lafayette, La.
    Posts
    10,527

    Default

    I voted for Reagan twice though I never considered him a Conservative.

    Lets face it, anyone was better than Jimmy Carter. Reagan's amnesty for 12 million illegals has led to another 20 million illegals and is not a Conservative ideal. His Iran/Conta deal was not in our best interest and Reagan left us with a huge national debt.

    He was clearly the best choice twice but, a Conservative? No.
    “The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.” –Thomas Jefferson

  4. #24
    Senior Member luvalab's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    central ohio
    Posts
    1,093

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hookset View Post

    ...

    For the life of me, I just don't get why some folks expend effort fighting gay marriage while our country is being converted from a nation founded on individual liberty into a socialist nanny state. The ship is slowly sinking and we're complaining about the music.
    Maybe because those same folks, under the guise of conservatism, are themselves trying to convert a nation founded on individual liberty into a socialist nanny state.

    It's just the socialist nanny state of the right, not the socialist nanny state of the left.

    Find me an actual conservative that will butt out of peoples business and allow the country to grow [up], and he or she will get my vote; put that actual conservative up against a libertarian, and my vote may very well go there.

    For most of my voting life, however, when it's come to national politics, I've had to choose between the nannies on the right, the nannies on the left, and tossing my vote away.

    I'm told I lean enough that I occasionally limp; I choose to blame arthritis in an old broken ankle...
    --Greta Ode
    willing slave to the whims of
    Kerrybrooks Magical Atticus MH
    Coastalight Kiowa Ravenhawk MH

  5. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Pac NW
    Posts
    4,162

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Booty View Post
    If you are a REAL Political Conservative, well...real Political Conservatives don't bother themselves with issues that don't pertain to Defending the Constitution, protecting the citizens, being fiscally responsible and maintaining the infastructure for commerce. Real Conservatives don't get sidetracked by social issues.
    So - all these benefits that are showered on these people - the funding that was moved ahead in the line for HIV - that's what you call fiscally responsible?

    Contrary to what many of you think - Family Values is a normal conservative issue having little to do with thumping on the Bible. I have never read the bible, the last time I was in church was to go to a funeral for a dog friend of mine - 15 years ago. I believe along with many others there are times when aborting a fetus is permissible. I am of the personal belief that what is good for a family is good for our country, with no slack for weird beliefs. It would be very hard to classify me as a Social Conservative.

    As for the willingness to be open minded about the issue - the people of whom we speak are as predatory as any criminal. So if it's OK in your mind, go ahead & believe that way. I just know that if one of them harms one of mine, they will never get an opportunity to go there again.
    __________________________

    Marvin S

    Everyone's friend is No One's friend

    Someday your life will flash before your eyes. It's your responsibility to make sure it's worth watching!

  6. #26
    Senior Member YardleyLabs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Yardley, PA
    Posts
    6,639

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    You shouldn't if you don't want to be.

    But I believe the institution of marriage B/T individuals of opposite sex was instituted to allow an orderly transfer of property to one's heirs & had nothing to do with what we see today.

    In my day gay meant being happy, & the individuals forementioned were described in lesser terms. I personally find the proponents of this type of conduct reprehensible, as I believe them to be dishonest in their eventual goals.
    I guess I'm not understanding you're normally clear logic. How are supporters of the legalization of same sex marriage being dishonest about their ultimate goal? Do you think homosexuals are actually trying to "convert" heterosexuals?

    It is a relatively recent development for the government to have any involvement in marriage at all. Rather, marriage was viewed as a religious institution and governed solely by the rules of each individual's own religious beliefs.

    As you noted, marriage was embodied in law to manage property and custody issues at death and at dissolution of the marriage. In the 100-150 years in which marriage has become increasingly ingrained in secular law, it has become attached to other peripheral issues such as defining economic units for tax purposes, defining "next of kin" for assigning custodial rights when an individual is unable to act for himself, etc.

    It is not clear to me how any of these issues are limited to male/female relationships; they are equally at issue for male/female and single sex relationships. For that reason, I can see no reason at all for having distinctions in civil law between the two. Let churches establish any rules they wish concerning marriage. That should not limit or be limited by what is done in civil law.

  7. #27
    Senior Member Franco's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Lafayette, La.
    Posts
    10,527

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    So - all these benefits that are showered on these people - the funding that was moved ahead in the line for HIV - that's what you call fiscally responsible?

    Contrary to what many of you think - Family Values is a normal conservative issue having little to do with thumping on the Bible. I have never read the bible, the last time I was in church was to go to a funeral for a dog friend of mine - 15 years ago. I believe along with many others there are times when aborting a fetus is permissible. I am of the personal belief that what is good for a family is good for our country, with no slack for weird beliefs. It would be very hard to classify me as a Social Conservative.

    As for the willingness to be open minded about the issue - the people of whom we speak are as predatory as any criminal. So if it's OK in your mind, go ahead & believe that way. I just know that if one of them harms one of mine, they will never get an opportunity to go there again.
    Lets see Marv, I highlighted three areas of your post.

    1)HIV funding? Where did I write where that was responsible?
    2) Family Values? I'm all for strong families and strong small businesses.
    3) Predatory Criminals? Who are we writing about here? Independents? Libertarians?

    Confused by your post.
    “The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations.” –Thomas Jefferson

  8. #28
    Senior Member YardleyLabs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Yardley, PA
    Posts
    6,639

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    So - all these benefits that are showered on these people - the funding that was moved ahead in the line for HIV - that's what you call fiscally responsible?

    Contrary to what many of you think - Family Values is a normal conservative issue having little to do with thumping on the Bible. I have never read the bible, the last time I was in church was to go to a funeral for a dog friend of mine - 15 years ago. I believe along with many others there are times when aborting a fetus is permissible. I am of the personal belief that what is good for a family is good for our country, with no slack for weird beliefs. It would be very hard to classify me as a Social Conservative.

    As for the willingness to be open minded about the issue - the people of whom we speak are as predatory as any criminal. So if it's OK in your mind, go ahead & believe that way. I just know that if one of them harms one of mine, they will never get an opportunity to go there again.
    1. I'm not sure what you mean by "weird beliefs". Personally, my kids think that my weekend activities playing with dogs and dead birds would rank high in the list. However, the minute you try to define weird and non-weird relationships among individuals,I think you may be looking for trouble. Many (most) of us are or have been involved in long-term monogamous relationships, with or without children involved. Some of these relationships were legally defined as marriages and others were not.

    2. If you are saying that homosexuals are more predatory than heterosexuals, I would love to see you evidence. My own personal experience suggests that opposite since homosexuals are seldom able to establish the same physical dominance over their partners that is routinely possible with heterosexuals. Homosexuality has nothing at all to do with pedophilia. They are very different and pedophiles generally don't care about the gender of their victims.

  9. #29
    Senior Member zeus3925's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    West Twin Cities Metro, MN
    Posts
    2,058

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post

    Ronald Reagan wasn't a "real Conservative?"
    Ronald Reagan and Maggie Thatcher are actually classified by political scientists as neo-liberal.
    Zeus

    I don't want to feed an ugly dog!

  10. #30
    Senior Member road kill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    New Berlin, WI
    Posts
    10,590

    Default

    Sorry fella's, this is not a roght wing left wing thing.

    I can tell you with all certainty that a HUGE left wing voting block is extremely anti-gay.

    The demographics are very clear.
    In fact, it was this voting block that turned out in force for Obama, and squashed the Gay-marriage amendment in CA.

    just sayin'
    Stan b & Elvis

Similar Threads

  1. For all conservatives...
    By Uncle Bill in forum POTUS Place - For those who talk Politics in the Gallery!
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 04-23-2009, 10:37 PM
  2. Hey conservatives ..this is a good one to bookmark
    By K.Bullock in forum POTUS Place - For those who talk Politics in the Gallery!
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 11-11-2008, 05:24 PM
  3. okay conservatives
    By Juli H in forum POTUS Place - For those who talk Politics in the Gallery!
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 11-09-2008, 08:09 PM
  4. liberals vs conservatives GDG
    By labguy in forum RTF - Retriever Training Forum
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 08-16-2008, 09:19 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •