A question for conservatives

[Pete]

Oh Jeff
I just remembered why liberals don't beat their wives.
Its because they are considerably weaker than their wives. They marry woman who keep them in subjection. So instead of a wife beating problem you have a husband beating problem.

Now thats funny I don't care who you are

Pete

[Keith Farmer]

If you are saying that homosexuals are more predatory than heterosexuals, I would love to see you evidence.

Is this predatorial enough? (I could not make myself open their official site...maybe you can do that...) the North American Man boy Love Association...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA

Do they have an agenda to "convert" straight people?...you tell me:

From Michael Swift:

"

We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us."

How about GLSEN (gay, lesbian, and straight education network) who pushed its DOS (day of silence) for the homosexual movement/agenda on our publically educated children in several thousand schools nation wide on April 25, 2008? Their goal: to lead students to believe that every person who identifies as a homosexual, bisexual or cross-dresser is a victim of ongoing, unrelenting harassment and hate. Students are taught that homosexuality is a worthy lifestyle, homosexuality has few or no risks, and individuals are born homosexual and cannot change. Those who oppose such teaching are characterized as ignorant and hateful bigots. (exerpt taken from this site: http://thesop.org/index.php?article=10084)



Pat Buchannon wrote partially (in Death of The West) about the demise of the American family unit and its potential impact on society as we know it.
Degrading the institution of marriage from what has stood as one of the corner stones of our society by accepting any other definition for marriage than one man and one women in covenant for life is to fully undermine our social foundation.


KF

[YardleyLabs]

Is this predatorial enough? (I could not make myself open their official site...maybe you can do that...) the North American Man boy Love Association...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA

Do they have an agenda to "convert" straight people?...you tell me:

From Michael Swift:

"

How about GLSEN (gay, lesbian, and straight education network) who pushed its DOS (day of silence) for the homosexual movement/agenda on our publically educated children in several thousand schools nation wide on April 25, 2008? Their goal: to lead students to believe that every person who identifies as a homosexual, bisexual or cross-dresser is a victim of ongoing, unrelenting harassment and hate. Students are taught that homosexuality is a worthy lifestyle, homosexuality has few or no risks, and individuals are born homosexual and cannot change. Those who oppose such teaching are characterized as ignorant and hateful bigots. (exerpt taken from this site: http://thesop.org/index.php?article=10084)



Pat Buchannon wrote partially (in Death of The West) about the demise of the American family unit and its potential impact on society as we know it.
Degrading the institution of marriage from what has stood as one of the corner stones of our society by accepting any other definition for marriage than one man and one women in covenant for life is to fully undermine our social foundation.


KF

To quote from the Day of Silence web site, the purpose of the Gay Straight Lesbian Education Network is:

"GLSEN, the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, is the leading national education organization focused on ensuring safe schools for all students. Established nationally in 1995, GLSEN envisions a world in which every child learns to respect and accept all people, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity/expression. GLSEN seeks to develop school
climates where difference is valued for the positive contribution it makes to creating a more vibrant and diverse community.For more information on GLSEN’s educator resources, public policy agenda, student organizing programs, research or development initiatives, visit www.glsen.org."

This seems like a pretty decent agenda to me. In my experience, being gay is not a choice; it's something you are born with. I suspect that most gay people that I have known would have been much happier if they could have waved some magical wand and become straight. However, being gay is not a disease, it is not catching, and it should not be a matter of shame. In fact, I've often suspected that those who are most vehemently anti-gay may be overcompensating for questions they have about their own sexual orientation.

In my church, as in most Unitarian and United Church of Christ churches, children participate in a sex education program called Our Whole Lives (OWL) which explicitly addresses questions of sexual orientation in positive ways to help children become comfortable with their sexuality and with the differences that exist among their peers. It is relatively common for members of the gay, lesbian and bisexual communities to be invited to speak to these classes to answer any questions that kids may have. I don't believe there are either more or fewer gays today, as a percentage of our population, than there were in the 1950's, but I certainly think that the treatment of sexual orientation today is infinitely healthier than it was then.

While I will be forever tinged by some of the prejudices of my youth, I am happy that my kids seem to truly accept their own sexuality and the sexuality of their friends without concern for sexual orientation. In that sense they reflect the values of the under-30 generation well. It is clear that any political party that rejects gays will find itself unable to attract either gays or non-gays in the future.

[Keith Farmer]

In my experience, being gay is not a choice; it's something you are born with.

Are you gay Jeff? If not, what "experience" do you have with whether or not the lifestyle is a choice. The only experience a non-gay individual has with being gay is that which is sold to that individual under the guise of the pro-gay agenda.

From people who are "experienced" I suggest you read their input on the subject...an input that says over 1/3 of those who seek to totally change their lifestyle are successful. Another 1/3 are successful at varying degrees of change...whatever that may be.

Here is a site that you should check out (read the Q & A's):

http://theformers.com/faq.php

The push by pro-gay movements to align their lifestyle with those of true minorities (like that of the black minority...whose members are born black...not a choice) has given rise to the "born with it" stance. Ask any "former" homosexual whether it was a choice and the answer is most likely to be yes...it was a choice.

As far as a "church" teaching kids about homosexuality I can only say that it is sad but believable that in such a perverse setting as we live in now we can call those activities church related.

[Marty Lee]

we all face "choice" everyday. when we see a good looking female(do we lust?) or may even have a chance to have sex with another other than our wife we are faced with a choice. if a man claims he was "born attrached to children or animals" do we say oh its ok you were born that way i accept you as you are....maybe i can claim i was born to steal and go steal enough money so i dont have to work it must be ok i was born this way

[Patrick Johndrow]

In my experience, being gay is not a choice; it's something you are born with. I suspect that most gay people that I have known would have been much happier if they could have waved some magical wand and become straight. However, being gay is not a disease, it is not catching, and it should not be a matter of shame. In fact, I've often suspected that those who are most vehemently anti-gay may be overcompensating for questions they have about their own sexual orientation.
In my church, as in most Unitarian and United Church of Christ churches, children participate in a sex education program called Our Whole Lives (OWL) which explicitly addresses questions of sexual orientation in positive ways to help children become comfortable with their sexuality and with the differences that exist among their peers. It is relatively common for members of the gay, lesbian and bisexual communities to be invited to speak to these classes to answer any questions that kids may have. I don't believe there are either more or fewer gays today, as a percentage of our population, than there were in the 1950's, but I certainly think that the treatment of sexual orientation today is infinitely healthier than it was then.

I know two gay men that claim that they were born gay…while I believe neither of them are liars I do know both had traumatic occurrences in their youth that could have led them to where they are today…one was physically and the other was physiological. Both men live very tortured lives personally and professionally because of their lifestyle. My wife and I have been very supportive of them as friend but in no way do we support their lifestyle. The individual has the duty to reconcile themselves with the Church not the Church to reconcile themselves with the individual. Does not matter what the sin the Church should not bend to perversion.

[road kill]

I was on a number of Championship teams with great team mates.
I was in the Military and served with some great guys (under fire)!!
I coached baseball & basketball for over 20 years.

I love those guys!!








We don't have sex!!








I was "born" hetero (by your stated standards) I had no choice.
I did how ever "CHOOSE" to NOT have sex today!!

Get it??


Just sayin'

[Marty Lee]

i too have some gay friends i dont bash them about their sexual preferences but i dont buy the i was born this way idea. i beleive we live in a fallen state world and we all have our temptations. sex before marriage in my book is SIN so is lying cheating stealing there is no big sin little sin.... i dont bust their chops on how they live and dont want them critquing my "choices" about how i live. "but you own what you condone". where have i seen that?

[Pete]

Pete,
"Generally speaking" you took a pretty civil and interesting discussion of a current political issue and made a disgustingly sexual post and several that were simply idiotic. But thanks to the rest of you for posting your opinions. It's certainly interesting to hear how others view this

I didn't do it to be discusting or derogatory
I said it that way because people tend not to understand what really goes on in the gay community. You may think that they just hold hands and hug but the reality is it is incredably vulger and discusting.

I thought it would help bring some who sit on the fence down to reality.
If it sounded discusting and vulger it's because it is. I have made nothing up.
You should thanking me for being honest and up front.

Its not the people but their actions. All of us are screwed up one way or another.
Its not what yoyu think but how you act.

Pete

[Keith Farmer]

In my church, as in most Unitarian and United Church of Christ churches, children participate in a sex education program called Our Whole Lives (OWL) which explicitly addresses questions of sexual orientation in positive ways to help children become comfortable with their sexuality and with the differences that exist among their peers. It is relatively common for members of the gay, lesbian and bisexual communities to be invited to speak to these classes to answer any questions that kids may have.

Jeff,

Would your "church" be open to inviting Paedophiles to speak? You may have according to the NAMbLA group.

In keeping with that theme how about this from overseas...from 2006 (how long until it reaches our shores?):

Judge HFM Hofhuis ruled that the Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity Party (PNVD) had the same right to exist as any other political party.
The PNVD was formed by three paedophiles in May, prompting outrage in Dutch society. It seeks to lower the age of sexual consent from 16 to 12 and legalise child pornography and sex with animals...the PNVD...says its aim is to break taboos and fight intolerance and that it wants paedophilia to be freely discussed, arguing that a ban just makes children curious.

Sounds just like what you, and your "church", are promoting Jeff with the liberal approach of exposing children to taboo sexual situations in the forms of gay, lesbian, bi, trans, and/or whatever else you can conjure up type lifestyles and allowing them to become comfortable with the differences...give me a break. Where is the leadership? Where is the moral foundation? Where is the logic in that?

Seems like the approach I quoted earlier is working with your crowd Jeff...here it is again in part:

We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups,...

I say, again, that is simply a total disregard for proper parenting than to do anything other than look out for the well being and best interests of our children. To expose them to such outrageous nonsense is not responsible at best.