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    What do I consider torture of an individual who was picked up on a battlefield and is our enemy?

    1)…..mmmmmmm…..well…..let me see….hummm….ok well there is, no…ummmm
    Humm pretty short list.

    What do I not consider torture?
    1)Anything that gets the job done and potentially saves the lives of anyone, be it American or otherwise that the person in question is an enemy of.

    As stated in another post, I love that everyone feels they are granted the right to know who, what, where, and when of every NATIONAL SECURITY issue that comes up. I have no problem sleeping in my bed at night knowing that somewhere in the world someone is doing what some might consider bad things to someone else to keep me, my loved ones, and my country safe. I thank those who do the job everyday and especially today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Cotts
    This is simple to figure out.
    1 question,

    How would you you personally extarct life saving imformation from a known terrorist or someone you know has info of the where abouts and condition of one of your loved ones.?

    List a couple of techniques you consider appropriate.
    If I knew that I wouldn't be prosecuted I might do just about anything. Even with the threat of jail time without question I would be tempted to do what ever it took to get what I needed. This is such a hypothetical question with the chances of it ever happening as close to zero as you can come, I can only answer I don't know what I would do. But here is a big difference between what Bush and Co. did and myself. If I broke the law doing what I had to do to get that info I would freely admit it and accept the consequences.
    I am sure most of you are familiar with the case of the father shooting and killing in an airport the pervert who molested his daughter who at the time was being escorted by some police. The father dropped his gun and surrended immediately. Now if I was in the same position, this sounds like a pretty good idea to me but I would be prepared for what happened afterward s. Bush and his buddies are just a bunch of p%^&ys hiding behind some bu$$^&it legal theories which they know they probably can't win. If they would just stand up and say "yeah we did it but we were trying to protect the country" I certainly would have more sympathy for them just like I do for the guy who shot the molester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cotts135 View Post
    If I knew that I wouldn't be prosecuted I might do just about anything. Even with the threat of jail time without question I would be tempted to do what ever it took to get what I needed. This is such a hypothetical question with the chances of it ever happening as close to zero as you can come, I can only answer I don't know what I would do. But here is a big difference between what Bush and Co. did and myself. If I broke the law doing what I had to do to get that info I would freely admit it and accept the consequences.
    I am sure most of you are familiar with the case of the father shooting and killing in an airport the pervert who molested his daughter who at the time was being escorted by some police. The father dropped his gun and surrended immediately. Now if I was in the same position, this sounds like a pretty good idea to me but I would be prepared for what happened afterward s. Bush and his buddies are just a bunch of p%^&ys hiding behind some bu$$^&it legal theories which they know they probably can't win. If they would just stand up and say "yeah we did it but we were trying to protect the country" I certainly would have more sympathy for them just like I do for the guy who shot the molester.


    bahahahahhahahahaha....man you guys hate Bush more than OBL it seems. You must be in heaven with the we hate America crowd in the white house.... You and Roger should get drunk together one night and get I hate Bush tattoed on your ass
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    Quote Originally Posted by cotts135 View Post
    If I knew that I wouldn't be prosecuted I might do just about anything. Even with the threat of jail time without question I would be tempted to do what ever it took to get what I needed. This is such a hypothetical question with the chances of it ever happening as close to zero as you can come, I can only answer I don't know what I would do. But here is a big difference between what Bush and Co. did and myself. If I broke the law doing what I had to do to get that info I would freely admit it and accept the consequences.
    I am sure most of you are familiar with the case of the father shooting and killing in an airport the pervert who molested his daughter who at the time was being escorted by some police. The father dropped his gun and surrended immediately. Now if I was in the same position, this sounds like a pretty good idea to me but I would be prepared for what happened afterward s. Bush and his buddies are just a bunch of p%^&ys hiding behind some bu$$^&it legal theories which they know they probably can't win. If they would just stand up and say "yeah we did it but we were trying to protect the country" I certainly would have more sympathy for them just like I do for the guy who shot the molester.
    Seek anger management and learn to move on brother…while you are at it look at a map and figure out where you live…it is in the NE part of the United States, not the middle east.

    I could care less what they do or have done with those monsters.

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    Lets put this in perspective.

    A grand total of "3" high value individuals were waterboarded. Those of you hung up on this need to move on with your sorry lives. Your savior is now in office and these things are no longer occurring. Now you can go back to fretting about illegal wire tapping. Oh wait they just broke up a terror plot using just such tactics.

    Why don't we just go back to the good old days before 9/11 and stick our heads in the sand and do nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by code3retrievers View Post

    Why don't we just go back to the good old days before 9/11 and stick our heads in the sand and do nothing.
    I think the blood of 911 can be laid squarely at the Clinton administrations feet. Getting blow jobs and hiding the truth from his wife was more important than protecting his coutry and citizens.
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    If I knew that I wouldn't be prosecuted I might do just about anything. Even with the threat of jail time without question I would be tempted to do what ever it took to get what I needed. This is such a hypothetical question with the chances of it ever happening as close to zero as you can come, I can only answer I don't know what I would do. But here is a big difference between what Bush and Co. did and myself. If I broke the law doing what I had to do to get that info I would freely admit it and accept the consequences.
    I am sure most of you are familiar with the case of the father shooting and killing in an airport the pervert who molested his daughter who at the time was being escorted by some police. The father dropped his gun and surrended immediately. Now if I was in the same position, this sounds like a pretty good idea to me but I would be prepared for what happened afterward s. Bush and his buddies are just a bunch of p%^&ys hiding behind some bu$$^&it legal theories which they know they probably can't win. If they would just stand up and say "yeah we did it but we were trying to protect the country" I certainly would have more sympathy for them just like I do for the guy who shot the


    So you are saying its OK to torture using waterboarding... Thats good I thought you we against making people feel uncomfortable.

    I agree whole hardily.

    I don't like many of the things Bush did either. he along with most other presidents in my life time have purposely sold this country out. Most have been treasonist bastards in my opinion.,save Regan
    I think Reagan loved his country and the american people .`

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    So you are saying its OK to torture using waterboarding... Thats good I thought you we against making people feel uncomfortable.
    Not quiet, I am against the government breaking the law and nobody being held accountable. What I would do, I think, is quiet a different thing.
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    I don't like many of the things Bush did either. he along with most other presidents in my life time have purposely sold this country out. Most have been treasonist bastards in my opinion.,save Regan
    I think Reagan loved his country and the american people .`
    My biggest concern about this issue is a 2 tier legal system where people of privilege and power are able to break the law with impunity while the common people feel the full power and weight of our bloated justice system. Our forefathers seen the tyranny and lawlesness of King George Vlll rule and how corrupt it was. They wrote the Constitution with that in the forefront of their thoughts and created a Republic that was base on laws not on men. I believe in this as strongly as someone believes in the right to bear arms and how the current administration is undermining that right.
    For now I guess we will agree to disagree on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cotts135 View Post
    If I knew that I wouldn't be prosecuted I might do just about anything. Even with the threat of jail time without question I would be tempted to do what ever it took to get what I needed. This is such a hypothetical question with the chances of it ever happening as close to zero as you can come, I can only answer I don't know what I would do. But here is a big difference between what Bush and Co. did and myself. If I broke the law doing what I had to do to get that info I would freely admit it and accept the consequences.
    I am sure most of you are familiar with the case of the father shooting and killing in an airport the pervert who molested his daughter who at the time was being escorted by some police. The father dropped his gun and surrended immediately. Now if I was in the same position, this sounds like a pretty good idea to me but I would be prepared for what happened afterward s. Bush and his buddies are just a bunch of p%^&ys hiding behind some bu$$^&it legal theories which they know they probably can't win. If they would just stand up and say "yeah we did it but we were trying to protect the country" I certainly would have more sympathy for them just like I do for the guy who shot the molester.
    For clarification; it was a youg boy who was taken out of state by his karate teacher and molested and it happened in the Baton Rouge La airport. I was very cool how the father shot at just the precise moment the scum turned the corner, watched it on the ten o'clock news LIVE. Grand jury REFUSED to indite which is the same thing they would do to Bush and Cheney. WE GET IT DOWN HERE IN THIS RED STATE!

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    My biggest concern about this issue is a 2 tier legal system where people of privilege and power are able to break the law with impunity while the common people feel the full power and weight of our bloated justice system. Our forefathers seen the tyranny and lawlesness of King George Vlll rule and how corrupt it was. They wrote the Constitution with that in the forefront of their thoughts and created a Republic that was base on laws not on men. I believe in this as strongly as someone believes in the right to bear arms and how the current administration is undermining that right.
    For now I guess we will agree to disagree on this issue.
    careful ,,,your starting to sound like a conservative

    Pete

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