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    Yep, you gotta love that map.

    Maybe, as the facts suggest, those blue areas are generally in state and counties where comparatively more federal tax dollars are collected....see http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr150.pdf and http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/2229.html.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry V View Post
    Yep, you gotta love that map.

    Maybe, as the facts suggest, those blue areas are generally in state and counties where comparatively more federal tax dollars are collected....see http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr150.pdf and http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/2229.html.
    Not sure if more are "collected" there, but I can guaruntee you more are "spent" there!!
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    Of course another way to look at it is that Obama is supported by every major demographic except white males. Maybe that's who is out of step. Based on current polls, Obama approval is at more than 50% in states representing 445 electoral votes;



    Democrats are preferred over republicans in every age group, although the differences are least for those people born while Reagan was President and while Eisenhower was President. They are also preferred by every income group earning less than $150k and by almost half of those earning over $150k. The continued assumption that Obama/Democrat supporters are limited to socialists and those looking to get a government handout is inaccurate. The focus of conservatives on this type of rhetoric is part of what will drive more people away from the republican party.

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    MCCain won Louisiana by a big margin so, I can't believe we are now blue. That is unless a bunch of illegals have moved here.

    One just can't believe any of the polls because we don't know which way they are paid to be slanted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    MCCain won Louisiana by a big margin so, I can't believe we are now blue. That is unless a bunch of illegals have moved here.

    One just can't believe any of the polls because we don't know which way they are paid to be slanted.
    The map doesn't say how people would vote. It only indicates approval ratings. A high percentage of republicans (including almost a third of conservatives) approves of Obama's performance. The map actually comes from fivethirtyeight.com, which has a somewhat liberal bias in its politics but very rigorous and non-partisan approach approach to polling and poll interpretation (They would probably say something like you can't win by kidding yourself.).

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    This paints a different picture. I guess it's all in how you crunch the numbers. Remember what Sam Clemens said about statistics.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    I must be on ignore, becuase I explained precisely what is going on.

    Face it, too many want thier handout!!

    It will not change no matter who the chairman of the Republican party is!

    There are just too many of them getting thier entitlements.

    In fact, our President is a product of entitlements.
    This is the new America.
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    Rasmussen is actually the most negative poll by far in its findings over time as compared with all other major pollsters. More than anything else, this appears to be linked to their wording of questions, not to inherent problems with their polling methodologies. Rasmussen is actually one of the primary sources of polling data for fivethirtyeight.com. However, on the issue of whether or not to include a public option in a national health program, Rasmussen evidences dramatically different results from other pollsters. This is shown in this link: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...ic-option.html.

    With respect to Presidential approval ratings, the fundamental difference in Rasmussen's approach is that he is not measuring overall approval. Instead he measures the difference between strong positives and strong negatives, ignoring all in between. Howev er, it is this middle group that actually decides elections while the exteme groups are more likely to drive primaries and financing. The actual fluctuations in Obama's positive ratings have changed little although he is currently at a new low with 58% approval (comparable to Reagan at a similar point in his presidency). The difference comes from the steady growth in strong negative feelings from conservatives and some softening in support from the far left as Obama has governed more from the center than they would prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Rasmussen is actually the most negative poll by far in its findings over time as compared with all other major pollsters. More than anything else, this appears to be linked to their wording of questions, not to inherent problems with their polling methodologies. Rasmussen is actually one of the primary sources of polling data for fivethirtyeight.com. However, on the issue of whether or not to include a public option in a national health program, Rasmussen evidences dramatically different results from other pollsters. This is shown in this link: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...ic-option.html.

    With respect to Presidential approval ratings, the fundamental difference in Rasmussen's approach is that he is not measuring overall approval. Instead he measures the difference between strong positives and strong negatives, ignoring all in between. Howev er, it is this middle group that actually decides elections while the exteme groups are more likely to drive primaries and financing. The actual fluctuations in Obama's positive ratings have changed little although he is currently at a new low with 58% approval (comparable to Reagan at a similar point in his presidency). The difference comes from the steady growth in strong negative feelings from conservatives and some softening in support from the far left as Obama has governed more from the center than they would prefer.

    Please post evidence of the print bolded by me.

    Regardless of the numbers, this president is a disaster on the fast track. Even if his approval rating by a truly representative cross-section of the population indicates that he is everything the media wants us to believe and exceeding his most ambitious promises, he is still dead wrong on the key issues.

    Hopefully America will wake up... soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayou Magic View Post
    Please post evidence of the print bolded by me.

    Regardless of the numbers, this president is a disaster on the fast track. Even if his approval rating by a truly representative cross-section of the population indicates that he is everything the media wants us to believe and exceeding his most ambitious promises, he is still dead wrong on the key issues.

    Hopefully America will wake up... soon.

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    Simply click on the link provided before at http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll and read Rasmussen's own description of the poll. Specifically it states:

    "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 33% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -1." [emphasis added]

    I assumed that everyone knew that was how Rasmussen did his index since he states it in every poll. To see his full results, which show a 54% approval rating, go to http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._index_history. Note that Rasmussen consistently shows a lower approval rating than other major polls by 3-5% which is presumably associated with methodological differences.

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