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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Hawkes View Post
    I don't know about you but I like more money in my account. Your general analogy was wayyyy off. I don't like working around some of the union hands, but I damn sure won't knock what they do for everybody.
    What do they do for everyone?? Please list the great things that the UAW,SEIU, NEA, ect. have done for Americans???
    Graft, Corruption, Mediocrity, Class warfare, Socialism, did I leave any out?
    It never fails to amaze me when I drive by a construction site and see the dumbazzez holding up a sign about unfair labor practices. Yesterday they were out again, too stupid to take a job with a good wage on a non union job!! You are only worth what the man paying the wage thinks it is worth.
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    Wrong. A man is worth his hire.

    If you don't know what the union has done/still does then look it up. Educate yourself on the subject. I'm just a "Scab" but most of salaries are based off The Union Scale.
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    I had to deal with some union BS and my foreman and a few of the longtimers asked what would happen if they went union. I told them that my ace guys would get a pay and benifit cut and the the guys that were in training would be replaced. Havent heard since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Hawkes View Post
    Wrong. A man is worth his hire.

    If you don't know what the union has done/still does then look it up. Educate yourself on the subject. I'm just a "Scab" but most of salaries are based off The Union Scale.

    Hardly. When I had my plastering and drywall business I would get the union guys from up north. Keep in mind this is back in the late 80'2 early 90's and they wanted $30/hr for a job that paid $15. The few that actually took the job were about as usless a tits on a trout becasue they wanted to do one job and only one job with the least amount of work they could get away with. The guys that actually made $30+/hr for me did piece work and EARNED great money. In the real world a man is worth whay he is worth and not what a union says his lazy ass is worth
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    When I started my first company and had a few guys I called the local union hall and asked them if we could join and what the benefits would be. They explained to me all the great things they would do for the employees. I asked but what will you do for the company such as picket the non unoin shops, pressure local general contractors to insist on union projects, have a training program to improve quality of labor pool. Nothing , nada. what a great deal that would have been.

    BTW the other day I stopped and was talking to some picketers that were walking against some area non union electricians. I asked where the signs and banners were from. Sadly NOT from any of the local union sign shops. Kinda reminds me of algore flying in a private jet to a global warming conference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbullgator View Post
    Hardly. When I had my platering and drywall business I would get the union guys from up north. Keep in mind this is back in the late 80'2 early 90's and they wanted $30/hr for a job that paid $15. The few that actually took the job were about as usless a tits on a trout becasue they wanted to do one job and only one job with the least amount of work they could get away with. The guys that actually made $30+/hr for me did piece work and EARNED great money. In the real world a man is worth whay he is worth and not what a union says his lazy ass is worth
    Jobs in oil refineries, power plants, and paper mills are. Shutdowns/new construction/maintenance are examples.

    There is nothing more real world than shutdowns and that's where a man is worth his hire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gutermuth View Post
    In most instances all the teachers unions do is to keep the unqualified and underachieving working and getting paid.
    From watching my parent's careers as school teachers, it seems like for the most party the school boards and parents tend to try to drive off the qualified, achieving, hard working, and driven teachers away while wanting the keep the lazy ones that hand out A's for nothing. The good school districts have leaders that stand up for the best teachers, and actually try to run off the bad ones, but those school districts tend to be far and few between.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Hawkes View Post
    Wrong. A man is worth his hire.

    If you don't know what the union has done/still does then look it up. Educate yourself on the subject. I'm just a "Scab" but most of salaries are based off The Union Scale.

    I dont think so..salaries are based on what the market will bear...I am a union member ,Culinary # 226, and the ONLY reason I am a member is because it was required when hired at the hotel..the hourly wage for waiters in Las Vegas is very different than waiters in NY or LA

    The ONLY good thing the union has given me is an outstanding health insurance plan, but I did not like the fact that they tried to speak for me during the election and assumed that I was going to vote like the rest of the union sheeple with questionable I-9 status...the union was no where to be found when my full time status was dropped from full time status to part time after five yrs of service, but yet they still get their full union dues from my paycheck each month...the union DOESNT SPEAK FOR ME NOR DOES IT VOTE FOR ME.....I can do both on my own...unions are also notorious in the hotel industry of trying to dictate how a hotel does business and what they charge for services, and of course who pays.....you and me the consumer
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    Rumor is the hotel unions are in bed with the mob. I know there are construction unions in bed with them in Northern Cali.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Hawkes View Post
    Rumor is the hotel unions are in bed with the mob. I know there are construction unions in bed with them in Northern Cali.

    ROTFLMAO.....there are no mobs in Las Vegas, just a lot of HUGE corporations..the closest thing we have to the Godfather is Kirk Krekorian who owns MGM/Mandalay Bay and was # 3 on the Forbes 400 list..the hotel I work at is owned by a division of Goldman Sachs....the mob went out with Casino and Joe Pesci
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