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    When it comes to the unconstitutional expansion of Presidential authority,growth of government and really bad economic policy Obama makes Bush look like a light weight. The guy is scary.
    "The longer you let a dog go in the wrong direction the more they think they are going in the right direction" Don Remien.

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    8 GOP members of the House voted for this boondoggle, they need to be run out of office for treason against their party.

    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/26...x-republicans/
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Imagine for one second that our VP, Joe Biden, formed this energy policy behind locked doors with the shades pulled down, with leading corporate CEOs and representatives, then refused to release transcripts even under court order (or congressional oversight order), then those same corporations posted all-time record profits in the history of man-kind. If that's too much to imagine, just change the name to Vice Pres. Cheney, and you don't have to imagine. It just happened!

    I don't like this new bill either, but it was formulated and discussed in the public forum. I suggest all of us who disagree with it, rather than write on this forum, write your congressman, and it won't become law.
    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Bob,
    I don't mean to be disrespectful, but that's the exact attitude that the people you despise are counting on! Then they get their way.

    This bill does NOT have rubber-stamp approval from Dems. It is very contentious right now, and maybe your ONE letter won't sway things, but a few hundred to your treehuggers probably will.
    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCreek View Post
    Unfortunately it passed. The impact if it passes the Senate will be permanent damage to the economic system of the country and a blow to State and individual rights. A 1200 page bill with a 300 page amendment that was delivered to Congress at 3:00 A.M. today 14 hours before the vote, now that is "transparency" and a "new era of government" to quote the current President and Speaker of the House!
    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce MacPherson View Post
    When it comes to the unconstitutional expansion of Presidential authority,growth of government and really bad economic policy Obama makes Bush look like a light weight. The guy is scary.
    Folks, if you were EVER going to send an email or make a phone call to your US Senator, NOW is the time to do it. If this passes, our economy will be PERMANENTLY screwed beyond words....even a mid-term change to a Republican majority will do little to lessen its impact unless they could engineer a repeal....

    MAKE YOUR VOICE COUNT! CONTACT YOUR US SENATOR TODAY!

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    Here is the Messiah admitting energy rates will skyrocket under cap and trade.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxG...layer_embedded

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    I work at a coal mine in Wyoming and if this bill goes through I see the coal companys reducing the amount of coal shipped by so much that there will not be enough to power the United States. We have already reduced our planned shipped tons by close to 20%. I really think clean coal technology is where the goverment should stick a large amount of money and when they find a way to make it cleaner and keep cost down for the consumer, then start looking at alternative energy sources. If this passes through the Senate this will bring a depresion that has never been seen in our country!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bret Rasmussen View Post
    I work at a coal mine in Wyoming and if this bill goes through I see the coal companys reducing the amount of coal shipped by so much that there will not be enough to power the United States. We have already reduced our planned shipped tons by close to 20%. I really think clean coal technology is where the goverment should stick a large amount of money and when they find a way to make it cleaner and keep cost down for the consumer, then start looking at alternative energy sources. If this passes through the Senate this will bring a depresion that has never been seen in our country!
    Bret, Did you see where the U of Texas turned coal into crude with a new process (probably turkey cooker method)? They are saying it could bring oil down to $35 per barrel. It was posted on www.pickensplan.com the other day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Britton View Post
    Bret, Did you see where the U of Texas turned coal into crude with a new process (probably turkey cooker method)? They are saying it could bring oil down to $35 per barrel. It was posted on www.pickensplan.com the other day.
    Rapid City had a coal gasification plant in the 70's that proved it was quite doable. It was shut down and we lost most of those that were employed in that project, primarily because it wasn't financially feasible at that time.

    My wife and I had developed some close friendships with those folks, and we were sorry to see it shut down.

    With that technology on the back burner, however, it wouldn't take long for it to be revived quickly. It just won't happen with the current crop of environmental crazies we have running the nation today.

    The sad truth is, in today's environment and with today's technologies, we can make all drilling, mining, cutting, and self sufficiency easily realistic, if we didn't have the socialists constantly screaming all their negativisms.

    It's just criminal how easily the libs can convince the sheeple that we conservatives encourage dirty water, and dirty air. If this current Algore bill that just passed the Congress gets through the Senate, and the costs start hitting them in THEIR pocketbooks, it might start sinking in they've been hoodwinked. I don't really believe that, but hellsbells, a guy can dream...for the sake of his children.

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    Just wait til GE/GS start trading the credits, it'll be more of a mess than the housing mess.

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