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Thread: Amatuer Mistake

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    Exclamation in need of serious help.

    First dog to train, Using FowlDogs as my program. We have solid OB, Good hold, just started FF, CC'd(?)

    6.5 month Choc Female. i feel i've made a huge mistake somewhere and i am looking to find the problem possibly..

    She lost her last tooth about 1 month ago.

    Her desire was great, knew all her commands, back, sit, here, kennel, heel, stay.. great OB

    symptoms: throw bumpers, land and water marks, say "BACK" and she either just stands there and looks at me or takes 3 or 4 steps and sits and looks at me. No matter how i try, she just seems so timid to go. I believe her collar conditioning has something to do with this but i could be wrong.. she's been doing this for the past couple weeks. i thought maybe she was just going through a phase so we backed off and it hasn't gotten any better.

    what more information do you need? i sure hope i haven't ruined a good dog..
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    if you just started ff, I would not do any marks until after it is done...
    you use 'back' as a release command on marks?

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    need more info. What have you done as far as CC details. Do you always send for marks on "back"? Are these hand throw marks or is there a BB involved.
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    Lots of dogs stop retrieving through the force fetch process.

    Finish up the force fetch and come back to marks when you are done.

    When sent to go, and she does not, you do not currently have the tools in place to MAKE her go, and you are reinforcing that she has the option to not go. Neither of those are good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juli H View Post
    if you just started ff, I would not do any marks until after it is done...
    you use 'back' as a release command on marks?

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    I've seen a lot of people and trainers use the back command at a young age. It gives the dog the familiarity with the command and the knowledge that there is a bird out there that leads to the basis of a blind retrieve. They tend to have more confidence when getting to blinds when they've been previously exposed to the command. Personally after they have started working on blinds around a year old give or take, is when I differentiate the name on marks and back on blinds. Any dog that has any desire to retrieve will take to this transition without a hitch.

    At the OP: Have you ever burned her too harshly since you're going through CC to where you could have provoked this result?
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    Also, do you train with the collar on?
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    Useing the word "Back" is a forced command like sit , here.
    Useing your puppy's name on a mark is a release to go get her bumper.bird.........
    Big difference.
    No force needed. Take the pressure off and just go have fun. Relax her .
    Hup, hup ,hup happy voice then throw the bumper. Sounds like she's worried.
    I do marks while f.f.
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    I've seen a lot of people and trainers use the back command at a young age.
    I'm curious what pros you are training with around here that do that?

    I would try staking her out with a training group.
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    I'm curious what pros you are training with around here that do that?

    I would try staking her out with a training group.
    My trainer uses back until after blinds are started they know abide is out there due to the marks...don't knock it just because it's not the norm
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    You said she has been doing this for a couple of weeks? ( 2 wks?)
    And the dog is 6.5 months old?...........so at 6 months, all the training is practically done?
    Collar condintioning is done? Dog just lost its last tooth?
    If there has been a lot of burning, at a young age, that could be a lot of it. Please look at the dogs ages on the Fowl Dawg dvds, and write down approx how many days and weeks each training step takes.....and thats for a pro....not a first timer....slow down, give the dog a break....put down the electric collar until the age Rick use's it in his videos. How many birds has the dog had? Make the training rewarding for dog, you'll have more fun.

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