Sit Means Sit - Another discussion....

[FOM]

Picture 1: Dog is being watching a quad be thrown, not positive of which bird is being thrown.


Picture 2: 2nd bird is being thrown for a triple:




I'm curious of how many would correct or not for a lifted rear like this?

Would you correct as the birds are being thrown?

Would you correct prior to calling for the next bird (assuming this is a multiple bird setup and you are calling for the birds at your pace)?

Would you corrert prior to sending for the retrieve?

Would you not correct at all?

How would you correct? With collar or stick or verbal?

Would your correction if any be different if this was the go bird? What about memory bird? What about a retired memory bird?

What if this was an honor?

What about a trial vs. training?

FOM

[i_willie12]

I would correct as soon as the butt came off the ground!!

Depending on age of dog but probably verbal first then stick on younger pup.
Then one verbal reminder on older dog if he does it again stick with verbal command

[BonMallari]

I would correct before birds are thrown, whether its two inches or clear daylight under their butt the longer it goes unchecked the greater the chance of a break later on JMHO

[Chris Meyer]

I tend not to give a sit command even in training in a situation such as this since you can't give another sit command at a test. It's usually just a tap on the rump with the stick.

It also depends on the dog. If this dog does this everytime but never moves an inch I may hold him to that standard-especially if I get other issues due to a correction such as vocalzation or even apprehensive behavior with soft dogs. If this turns into creeping, it's an immediate correction no matter what.

[FOM]

I would correct before birds are thrown, whether its two inches or clear daylight under their butt the longer it goes unchecked the greater the chance of a break later on JMHO

Let's assume the dog is sitting with rear on the ground prior to calling for the first bird....then you end up with what's in the picture - do you correct prior to calling for the next bird? How do you correct?

FOM

[trog]

keep high standards in training
a butt off the ground gets some kind of correction
no excuses
you come to line with dog at heal - no excuses for forging ahead
you leave the holding blind with dog - not him running ahead - no excuses

by the way I am getting crucified in local papers for opposing Wisconsin "puppy mill" legislation.
If anyone from Wisconsin is reading this please get involved in opposing this legislation.

trog

[Howard N]

I would correct pretty heavily for the creep. In both pictures the dog is well ahead of the handler.

With the dog next to me like he should be I probably wouldn't even see the butt lift. Since I don't see it I can't correct for it on anywhere near the amount of times it happens. You'll get a confused dog if you correct for it sometimes and not others. I can see the dog moving forward and that's what I'd work on.

At a trial I'd reheel.

[Angie B]

I would correct pretty heavily for the creep. In both pictures the dog is well ahead of the handler.

With the dog next to me like he should be I probably wouldn't even see the butt lift. Since I don't see it I can't correct for it on anywhere near the amount of times it happens. You'll get a confused dog if you correct for it sometimes and not others. I can see the dog moving forward and that's what I'd work on.

At a trial I'd reheel.

Ofcourse you can see it Howard, you should be watching the dog unless it's a flyer...

Angie

[john fallon]

No voice.
A Cold nick or burn if it continues, with a slight move backward of a few inches wih the inside leg.

john

[Howard N]

Ofcourse you can see it Howard, you should be watching the dog unless it's a flyer...

Angie

I really don't notice it. I am looking down, usually on flyers too . I can see the front end move but the back end doesn't get my attention. Dedeye and Talin from here have given me a ration of sh** more than once for me allowing the hind end to raise. Since I don't notice it I think it's better that I ignore it when I do see it to avoid giving mixed signals to the dog. I am good on stopping creeps though.