Hobby/Business/amateur status

[dnf777]

Is it possible to establish a personal kennel as a small business, to include the costs of equipment, maintenance, etc....and still maintain amateur status in regards to the AKC?

[DuckTruk]

I have been told that you can maintain your amatuer status if you train others dogs for obedience or if you board others dogs. KG can clear this one up....

[Dog Pro]

as long as you don't derive any income from the training of dogs you are still an amatuer.

[ghak99]

Where does the buying of pups and training them to a certain level before selling fit into this equation?.......

If I annually buy 1, 3, or 100 pups and train them to started, gun dog, or a finished level and sell them for a profit am i an amateur?

[john fallon]

Where does the buying of pups and training them to a certain level before selling fit into this equation?.......

If I annually buy 1, 3, or 100 pups and train them to started, gun dog, or a finished level and sell them for a profit am i an amateur?

Yes.

john

[Tim Carrion]

One of those "gray areas" that needs but may never be defined. The selling of trained dog is something that most amateurs have done at some point. That sale is income. Not usually profit but income.
How much a FT Committee is willing to investigate and tolerate is at their discretion.

Tim

[TXduckdog]

To my knowledge, operating a boarding kennel does not constitute a "professional" status.

[Marvin S]

Is it possible to establish a personal kennel as a small business, to include the costs of equipment, maintenance, etc....and still maintain amateur status in regards to the AKC?

Standing Recommendations - of the FT Rules & Standard Procedure - 3. ................ Draw your own conclusion!

The IRS frowns on these endeavors when there are no profits to tax. & rest assured there will be none. Again .

[K G]

For the uninitiated, here is Chapt. 3 that Marvin correctly referred to:

3. The following definitions and standards should be
followed in determining the status of any person to be an
Amateur:
(a) For purposes of eligibility to judge under Section 3
of Chapter 14 of the Rules for Retriever trials, a person
shall be considered an Amateur who during the period of
two years preceding the trial in question has not earned
any part of his or her livelihood from the training of a
dog for hunting or field trial competition and/or from the
handling of a dog in field trial competition at any level.

(b) For purposes of eligibility of a person to compete in
an Amateur All-Age stake at a licensed or member
retriever trial under Section 10 of Chapter 14, the standard
set forth in paragraph (a) above shall apply but the
time period applicable shall be one year preceding the
trial in question.

(c) No person shall be entitled to status as an Amateur
if it is determined that it is inappropriate for such person
to judge or to compete as an Amateur by virtue of a relationship
or an association with a professional other than
as a client. The time periods for any disqualification from
Amateur status under this section shall be the same as
those fixed by paragraphs (a) and (b) above.

(d) The determination of Amateur status under these
directives for the purpose of any particular field trial shall
be made by the Field Trial Committee for that trial.

The meat of the issue is section a) regards,


kg

[john fallon]

For the uninitiated, here is Chapt. 3 that Marvin correctly referred to:

3. The following definitions and standards should be
followed in determining the status of any person to be an
Amateur:
(a) For purposes of eligibility to judge under Section 3
of Chapter 14 of the Rules for Retriever trials, a person
shall be considered an Amateur who during the period of
two years preceding the trial in question has not earned
any part of his or her livelihood from the training of a
dog for hunting or field trial competition and/or from the
handling of a dog in field trial competition at any level.

(b) For purposes of eligibility of a person to compete in
an Amateur All-Age stake at a licensed or member
retriever trial under Section 10 of Chapter 14, the standard
set forth in paragraph (a) above shall apply but the
time period applicable shall be one year preceding the
trial in question.

(c) No person shall be entitled to status as an Amateur
if it is determined that it is inappropriate for such person
to judge or to compete as an Amateur by virtue of a relationship
or an association with a professional other than
as a client. The time periods for any disqualification from
Amateur status under this section shall be the same as
those fixed by paragraphs (a) and (b) above.

(d) The determination of Amateur status under these
directives for the purpose of any particular field trial shall
be made by the Field Trial Committee for that trial.

kg

In your opinion...What does that tell us about the amateur status of an individual in this scenario?

Originally Posted by ghak99
Where does the buying of pups and training them to a certain level before selling fit into this equation?.......

If I annually buy 1, 3, or 100 pups and train them to started, gun dog, or a finished level and sell them for a profit am i an amateur?

john