Obamacare, Brave New World revisited

[GoodDog]

Yardly and DNF, you sure quote the regs very well, and I bet you have never even talked to a Real doctor who cares about their patients, and wants the best for them. If you would like to talk to one, who also believes this system will be an utter failure, and extremely expensive, just let me know, and I will send the my phone number. If all of the current government medical plans are run so well, why are they bankrupt? If you think your insurance has hoopes to jump through, try dealing with the government. Feel free to talk to a real live person who deals with this everyday. I am not saying our current system is good, I am not a fan of the insurance companies, but I must laugh as you give examples of what the government has run well. I think the government does a wonderful job with national defense, but that is about it. Your examples don't hold water. Oh and DNF, as far as what the Doctors can do--- you just don't accept that insurance. If you think a bunch of Dr's that don't accept a specific insurance doesn't have an effect, you are wrong.

[Marvin S]

they've been doing it with medicare, VA, and Tricare. Certainly not perfect, but well enough to invalidate the blanket claim that they can't run anything.

You missed Medicaid, . & Amtrak, FNM, etc. None well run.

While Medicare is fine, you have to enroll to protect your interests. I pity the person who is uninsured in this environment. I just don't pity them enough to want to help pay for any level of care for them.

But they will get care, it's just the bill paying departments that are tough to navigate when you are uninsured.

[dnf777]

Yardly and DNF, you sure quote the regs very well, and I bet you have never even talked to a Real doctor who cares about their patients, and wants the best for them. If you would like to talk to one, who also believes this system will be an utter failure, and extremely expensive, just let me know, and I will send the my phone number. If all of the current government medical plans are run so well, why are they bankrupt? If you think your insurance has hoopes to jump through, try dealing with the government. Feel free to talk to a real live person who deals with this everyday. I am not saying our current system is good, I am not a fan of the insurance companies, but I must laugh as you give examples of what the government has run well. I think the government does a wonderful job with national defense, but that is about it. Your examples don't hold water. Oh and DNF, as far as what the Doctors can do--- you just don't accept that insurance. If you think a bunch of Dr's that don't accept a specific insurance doesn't have an effect, you are wrong.

GoodDog,
I talk to patients every day. And I talk to insurance companies on their behalf, everyday. I help patients jump through the insurance company hoops to avoid getting care denied, everyday. I AM a doctor. So is my wife. We know a little about the screwed up system we work in.

As for a group of doctors getting together and refusing insurance payments, that is collusion under the anti-trust acts, and we go to jail for that. That is what I alluded to in my previous posts, that insurance companies can collectively set reimbursement rates, but we can't collectively bargain back at them. Not a real free-market system.

First do no harm regards,
Dave

[GoodDog]

Good for you Dave, nice to met you. When I refer to not accepting specific insurance, I am refering to it as the gas stations do it. Every where you look, gas is about the same price, yet there is no collusion there. No specific organized body saying what they will charge for fuel.

On another note, what type of practice do you have and where (now I see PA.). Always nice to meet fellow dog folks.

Wes

[YardleyLabs]

Yardly and DNF, you sure quote the regs very well, and I bet you have never even talked to a Real doctor who cares about their patients, and wants the best for them. If you would like to talk to one, who also believes this system will be an utter failure, and extremely expensive, just let me know, and I will send the my phone number. If all of the current government medical plans are run so well, why are they bankrupt? If you think your insurance has hoopes to jump through, try dealing with the government. Feel free to talk to a real live person who deals with this everyday. I am not saying our current system is good, I am not a fan of the insurance companies, but I must laugh as you give examples of what the government has run well. I think the government does a wonderful job with national defense, but that is about it. Your examples don't hold water. Oh and DNF, as far as what the Doctors can do--- you just don't accept that insurance. If you think a bunch of Dr's that don't accept a specific insurance doesn't have an effect, you are wrong.

Good Dog,

I spent a part of my life as director of management for 18 hospitals, implemented the payment systems for a $4 billion Medicaid program, reviewed the management of commercial health benefit programs for plans covering more than one million employees, and designed and managed systems for clinical reviews of prescriptions. In all of these efforts I had extensive contact with the physicians using and affected by the programs in which I was involved.

[Cody Covey]

Jeff what haven't you done lol btw check your PM's

[Uncle Bill]

Good Dog,

I spent a part of my life as director of management for 18 hospitals, implemented the payment systems for a $4 billion Medicaid program, reviewed the management of commercial health benefit programs for plans covering more than one million employees, and designed and managed systems for clinical reviews of prescriptions. In all of these efforts I had extensive contact with the physicians using and affected by the programs in which I was involved.

It's taken a while, but we finally have an admission we can all understand. It had to be difficult to fess up to your ineptitude at helping develope a healthcare program so many despise, that they are now willing to obfuscate their freedoms in favor of another big government something-for-nothing program.

Is there any possibility that any of you libs will return to what this nation was founded on? Silly things like individual responsibility, and working for what you get. Will you ever see how corrupt YOU are when you applaud the idea of taking from those that earned it, and giving it to those that didn't? Do you not see the immorality of that form of class envy?

The only way your single-payer healthcare system can possibly hoodwink the electorate, is if the multitude of small businesses decide it's their way out of this incredible burden the unions foisted on the working class.

To think so many of you are actually believing what's being proposed by this spur-of-the-moment batch of nit-wits presently in charge, only furthers my views of your naivete. But then, being part of the sheeple that installed this current crop of socialists, it shouldn't surprise any sane American you are doing just what your leadership stated they would do, so you must be elated. Wonder how YOUR great grandkids will recall what you've done for them.

UB

[dnf777]

Wonder how YOUR great grandkids will recall what you've done for them.

UB

They're gonna be too busy working to pay off Mr. Bush's debt to worry anything about ME!

[Uncle Bill]

They're gonna be too busy working to pay off Mr. Bush's debt to worry anything about ME!

Au Contraire, 777...when your socialist friends put Obamacare into effect, we will ALL be worried for your survival, as I will for every Doctor I know.

UB

[Pals]

Hey!! I'm gonna email the white house that you guys are propogating untruths about the great health care plan.

Chicago scare tactics at their best. Everyday it gets worse, the sheer arogance of this administration is scary. If GW had issued a statement about turning in your fellow citizens-there would have been riots in the street.

Oh wait, we can blame Bush for all the angry Americans letting their idiot reps have an earful.

What a mess.