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    I like the healthcare plan I have now and don't want the govt messing it up for the sake of socialism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gutermuth View Post
    I like the healthcare plan I have now and don't want the govt messing it up for the sake of socialism
    All insurance policies are socialism. That's the underpinning of the entire industry. Everyone pays in, everyone is protected. A capitalist would say get a job, earn money, and pay for your own medical treatements!

    "Keep the government out of my medicare!"
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    Had a job, retired and still pay for my own insurance. I have no desire to pay for the healthcare of illegals, dopers, smokers boozers or others who will not either take care of themselves or pay their own way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gutermuth View Post
    Had a job, retired and still pay for my own insurance. I have no desire to pay for the healthcare of illegals, dopers, smokers boozers or others who will not either take care of themselves or pay their own way.
    You must be for some form of healthcare reform, because right now, your tax dollars are paying for all of the above!!
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    Fortunately, my pension is only supporting me and mine, I don't get enough to pay much in tax money for the govt to waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gutermuth View Post
    Fortunately, my pension is only supporting me and mine, I don't get enough to pay much in tax money for the govt to waste.
    Good for you! I hope you keep it that way. My father, who worked for the same company for 30 years was smart enough to take a lump sum severance and retire early. His co-workers fell victim to a merger, and got the pension plan of a new hire basically, losing all they paid into all that time.

    My father just had his retirement health care taken away. With the private policy he bought after retirement, he only had to pay $5000 per year for he and my mother. Now, they're shopping for insurance around 12,000 per annum, but because he had high blood sugars until he started exercising, is having trouble getting a policy.

    there's a guy who worked all his life, bought and paid his own insurance, and just had it yanked out from under him, and God forbid any health crisis occurs right now, would face financial ruin. Great system we have.
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    It is unfortunate that your father and plenty of others have lost their health insurance. I do not believe, however, that a govt takeover is the way to cure the problem. I don't trust the govt to do it right, and I don't think that their inability to run the post office bodes well for them running something as important as health care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Not the kind of change that says to pretend like you didn't win the election. Bi-partisanship only works when both sides are prepared to move towards the middle and accept that the best measure of the middle comes from the results of the election. Clearly that is not working and won't work on health care unless Republicans are prepared to define conditions under which they will actually vote in favor of a plan providing virtually universal coverage instead of simply demonizing everything proposed. If that position persists, I personally hope that the administration proceeds even if it receives no support at all from the Republicans. In that case it is politically necessary to pass a bill before campaigning for the 2010 elections moves into full gear.
    Ok, so democrates won the election, but they still represent the PEOPLE and ALL OF THEM and right now the majority of the people do not want this change.

    regardless, of political ties if the masses do not want it (republican,democrate and everyone in between) as shown by every poll I have seen and you have seen. Then the bill should not pass.

    Meeting in the middle sometimes means that things do not get done, not that we find a way to pretty it up and make it look good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nor_Cal_Angler View Post
    Ok, so democrates won the election, but they still represent the PEOPLE and ALL OF THEM and right now the majority of the people do not want this change.

    regardless, of political ties if the masses do not want it (republican,democrate and everyone in between) as shown by every poll I have seen and you have seen. Then the bill should not pass.

    Meeting in the middle sometimes means that things do not get done, not that we find a way to pretty it up and make it look good.

    a dress on a terd is still a terd!!!!

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    I think every politician seeking reelection pays attention to the polls. However, only votes actually count. With the volume of lies that are the core of most of the attacks on the health bills, I don't think polls mean very much. When presented with objective descriptions of different programs, the majority have favored plans consistently that are comparable to what is now being discussed. The poll results now are reflecting rhetoric, not reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    When presented with objective descriptions of different programs, the majority have favored plans consistently that are comparable to what is now being discussed. The poll results now are reflecting rhetoric, not reality.
    Jeff,

    I think this congress and president have shown that they are more than willing to pass and sign bills that they have not read so they have no idea what is included.

    If this were truly about providing for those without the entire healthcare system would not be their target. The majority may agree with broad generalizations. It is the specifics that are in the bills the we object to. I don't think that is going to change any time in the near future.

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