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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    I'm glad we finally agree on something.Bush was President for 8 years and Obama has been President for only 7 months. Do you really feel Bush's failed economic policy, the Iraq and Afghanastan war, failed banks, people out of work, and foreclosures are all Obama's fault?
    Failure in the economy came from too much control and not enough market forces. Control is a socialist(see Obama) idea. It has proven well in the former USSR, not to mention socialist Euro's who's economies on their best days is near 10%. Which could be our best if we continue down this road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpaschal30 View Post
    Failure in the economy came from too much control and not enough market forces. Control is a socialist(see Obama) idea. It has proven well in the former USSR, not to mention socialist Euro's who's economies on their best days is near 10%. Which could be our best if we continue down this road.
    That sounds like Economics 00BumperSticker. For six years Bush had virtually complete control over the governments involvement with the economy. He chose to bankrupt it.

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    Let's assume for a moment that all you "Bush Blamers" are right...I know you think you are, so we'll go with that for the sake of this argument....

    Do you feel that, today, the initiatives that BHO has instituted (not information regurgitated New York Times articles or blogs authored by leftist liberals, but REAL initiatives) have begun to "undo" what Bush 43 "did?" Don't wax philosophic or give him credit for the natural progression of downturns and upturns...TALK FACTS...and if you want to be credible, include both the good and the bad.

    The "floor" is yours....

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    That sounds like Economics 00BumperSticker. For six years Bush had virtually complete control over the governments involvement with the economy. He chose to bankrupt it.
    Who stopped the investigation of Freddy Mac and Fanny May in 2005? Democrats.
    Who ran FM an FMay? Democrats(Remember Raines)

    Who kept interest rates too low that made the derivatives attractive investments? The Fed

    Who spent too much money on the Farm Bill and Medacare Bills? The House(who does all appropriations) and Bush signed it.

    What were the specific policies Bush implemented that ruined the economy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tpaschal30 View Post
    Who stopped the investigation of Freddy Mac and Fanny May in 2005? Democrats.
    Who ran FM an FMay? Democrats(Remember Raines)

    Who kept interest rates too low that made the derivatives attractive investments? The Fed

    Who spent too much money on the Farm Bill and Medacare Bills? The House(who does all appropriations) and Bush signed it.

    What were the specific policies Bush implemented that ruined the economy?
    Without even addressing your specifics, which evidence more than a little cherry picking, who controlled the White house from January 2001 until January 2009? Who controlled the House from January 1995 until January 2007? Who controlled the Senate until they managed to chase out one of their own party members rather than reach any compromises to preserve a majority? Who managed to use their congressional control to push through every issue of importance to the President from 2001 until 2006? Who appointed every key member of the Fed Board that chose to reduce interest rates and encouraged a policy of easy credit? Who during his 2004 campaign took credit for increasing home ownership among low and moderate income families and promised legislation to promote minority home ownership by adopting no down payment loans with Federal guarantees to add 5.5 million new home owners (hint: It wasn't Kerry)? Who is now ready to say that every problem that grew into a disaster over a period of eight years is now solely the fault of Obama?

    The move to deregulate financial markets began under Reagan, continued under Clinton, and continued further under Bush. Even the disastrous collapse of the savings and loan industry and the collapse of many pension funds under Reagan was not enough to deter financial market deregulation. Some of that deregulation was desirable. Things can and did go too far. The structure of our markets rewards short term gain while largely ignoring long term risk. We have proven repeatedly over the last 70+ years that regulations are needed to force financial markets to manage long term risks more appropriately.

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