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    Quote Originally Posted by ducknwork View Post
    Not considering those points, what makes taxing chinese tires bad? Would this not give more incentive to build tires in the US, causing US companies to hire US citizens, thereby dropping US unemployment rates and stimulating US economy? Perhaps I am confused...
    Were there no other considerations, I'd say tax EVERYTHING we import from China the same way they plan to tax the tires. While we're at it, let's dismantle NAFTA, CAFTA, and start buying American again.

    But that's just me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ducknwork View Post
    ... considering those points, what makes taxing chinese tires bad? Would this not give more incentive to build tires in the US, causing US companies to hire US citizens, thereby dropping US unemployment rates and stimulating US economy? Perhaps I am confused...

    Then again...if he ticks off China, they cash in their IOU's, we're broke, all govt dependent...ahhh, nevermind. I will take off the tin foil hat...
    Could be the fact that we no longer have a manufacturing class, because the unions have seen to it that all the rank and file laborers have to be paid huge union salaries complete with lavish health care plans and extravagant pensions. So labor has to be outsourced abroad or we'd be paying three times what tires cost now.

    Also FYI part of the Obamacare is billions of our tax dollars used for bailing out union pensions that were mismanaged because heaven forbid a union factory worker might be in the same boat as the rest of the country when it comes time to retire or a union exec. can't draw 6 digit annual retirement cash. Obongo doesn't care if the rest of us starve and have to use witch doctors, ju ju pots and gris gris as long as his peeps are taken care of.

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    He says they've got a pretty remarkable can-do and entreupenueral (sp) spirit, but two aspects of their culture that hurts them is their pride and rigid hierarchy. As a result, if some mid-level ham and egger on the factory floor sees something messed up he won't report or fix it because it will make him or his boss look bad. Squeeky wheels get punished there.
    I have gotten the sense that there are members here who are old enough to remember when "Made in Japan" were dirty words Another culture where respect & saving face was important. The Japanese caught on quickly, though, to the fact that bad products made them all look bad. So, today we have Toyota and SONY known for their high level of quality.

    Hope the Chinese catch onto that concept before any bad tires kill anybody. After all, I don't think they could have any idea what our roads are like, how fast our cars go, and how many miles we drive. Without that understanding, they would not be in a good position to know how meaningful their slip-ups would be.

    If/when they extend their cultural pride to their manufacturing, they would be a force to be reckoned with in world markets. Their leaders will also have to watch their backs when the populace finds out how capitalism can change their quality of life.

    Interesting thought, isn't it? Just as developed countries begin to think that socialistic trends can make their lives better, the Chinese will be finding out how much more capitalism can do for them. Maybe we should encourage more Chinese immigration, and suggest some of our legislators emigrate to China? Might be some interesting results!
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    Quote Originally Posted by K G View Post
    Were there no other considerations, I'd say tax EVERYTHING we import from China the same way they plan to tax the tires. While we're at it, let's dismantle NAFTA, CAFTA, and start buying American again.

    But that's just me...

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    Kinda what I was getting at. Remember when WalMart's slogan was "We buy American so you can too"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    Hope the Chinese catch onto that concept before any bad tires kill anybody. After all, I don't think they could have any idea what our roads are like, how fast our cars go, and how many miles we drive. Without that understanding, they would not be in a good position to know how meaningful their slip-ups would be.
    I don't think they'd care much beyond how it would affect their bottom line. Life's pretty cheap over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post
    I don't think they'd care much beyond how it would affect their bottom line. Life's pretty cheap over there.
    In every way possible....literally...

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    See the forest for the trees here guys. First these are low cost tires which frankly American corporation don't make, the premium tire market is more profitable, they have already ceded the low cost market to China. You have now moved prices up roughly 20.00 per tire on the low end side, dosen't sound like a lot unless you happen to be one of those lower income consumers who can barley afford to put new tires on the car as it is. Secondly you have now taken those American suppliers that depend on the lower cost tires and put them in jeopardy of going out of business putting more people out of work. A study out of Rutgers University estimates at least 25,000 American jobs LOST because of the tariffs. This also is at direct odds with the Presidents assertions that we would not resort to protectionism, which this certainly is, during a time of global economic instability.
    In my opinion, and outside of other factors already stated by others, when you start picking nits for the sake of political expedience, with your second biggest trading partner, you may have more to lose than they do
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    Quote Originally Posted by K G View Post
    He's using an atom bomb to kill an ant....

    Thanks to all of the debt he's assigned to us, our children, and our children's children, we need China to help float a deficit that is expected to reach $1.56 TRILLION this year (and that's BEFORE we get sacked with paying for "his" health care program AND his Cap and Trade initiative). BHO also needs China's vote to seek new sanctions against Iran to combat their nuclear program. Taxing Chinese tires, a miniscule overall move, is not likely to go over well.

    But hey....he's not really known for thinking things out before stepping in the KA KA....

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    You mean like Bush thinking things out before starting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq even though Bush was told there were no active WMD's in Iraq before the start of the war?
    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/23/...-in-fall-2002/


    How many of Trillions of dollars have both wars cost us so far and how many more trillions of dollars will it cost us before we can get out of there, not to mention the price in human lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    You mean like Bush thinking things out before starting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq even though Bush was told there were no active WMD's in Iraq before the start of the war?
    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/23/...-in-fall-2002/


    How many of Trillions of dollars have both wars cost us so far and how many more trillions of dollars will it cost us before we can get out of there, not to mention the price in human lives.
    Hey Roger don't forget about Lincoln he was a dirty republican that started a war too!

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    Not ever REMOTELY close to the same thing, Roger...but making outrageous comparisons to suit your own agenda has never bothered you before.

    Quote Originally Posted by eildydar View Post
    Hey Roger don't forget about Lincoln he was a dirty republican that started a war too!

    And income taxes....don't forget that....yeah, Roger....we're still paying for the Civil War today....how come you don't whine about that??????

    Roger, you need to come to grips with the fact that BHO is mucking up the works. How badly he mucks it up compared to other Presidents remains to be seen, but until you take your Bush Blinders off, you'll not be able to see that....or you just don't WANT to see that, so you keep bringing up Bush 43.

    Been a LONG time since I've seen such a chronic case of denial and need for diversion....

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