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    Default The Dems are back at it again...

    ...raising the "race" issue on anything they can. Here's one you sword-wounded-disciples can read and weep. UB



    BUCHANAN TO OBAMA
    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America . Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to... This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

    First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known. Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

    Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ' 60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

    Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

    We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude???Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown , and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids.?

    Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ?

    Is it really white America 's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

    Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

    As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

    We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.
    Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago
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    Nuff said. Before Obama is done race relations in this country will be set back for years to come. Remember he said the white Boston police officer acted stupidly facts when he arrested a black professor. Then tried to make amends with that stupid beer party. Anytime he speaks without his ever present Teleprompter, he steps in it.

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    For this article Buchanan earns a truly special niche in Hell. This should be a spot where he can watch his children be kidnapped, sold, placed into the holds of ships and, if they are among the "lucky" ones they may survive heat, starvation and disease to reach the golden shores of America to which they should offer prayers of gratitude.

    There he should be forced to watch as they are sold off as chattel and then bred selectively over generations for those special traits that make a good slave: strong back, trainability, ability to accept pressure without responding aggressively.

    I suspect then that there were as many different types of breeders then as there are now with our retrievers. The elite who might give all the attention to breeding a good slave that they would to breeding a good hunting dog. Those equivalent to today's puppy mills, breeding for volume and quick sales. And even some back yard breeders asking around their neighbors for a good stud to match up with that special little girl before she gets too old.

    Let Buchanan watch that from his niche in Hell, ever thankful that in return his children are being introduced to a white God and preachers who will help his children accept their industrious role as slaves. After four, five or six generations watching his children and his grandchildren and their children and so forth being bred like so many dogs, let Buchanan watch through the years of Reconstruction when the promise of 40 acres and a mule rapidly turned into a world of horror where former slaves remained for the next 40 years under controls as rigid as those they faced under slavery. And while the situation improved over the next hundred years, there is no quick correction for all those generations of special breeding and special "education".

    And to counter this what does Buchanan say are the benefits for which blacks should be grateful? Blacks in this country fared better than blacks in the other African countries that were conquered and exploited viciously by the colonial powers eager to control their natural resources. Grateful for their religious conversion at the end of a whip? Grateful for the destruction of their language and culture, for the selling off of their children, for centuries of inadequate education? Let Buchanan watch his children go through that experience generation after generation and then let him bow down and tell us all "Thanks".

    This is one of the most outrageously ethnocentric and arrogant articles I have ever read. Next we'll see cartoons of Buchanan carrying a cross with a black man nailed to it and the slogan "The White Man's Burden." Let him roast in Hell, watching his children in all their generations going through that experience he now praises.

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    "Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ?

    Is it really white America 's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

    Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?"


    Those points sound a lot like the points raised in President Obama's speech to the NAACP, or his speech to the school kids. (the Hitler Youth Indoctrination speech, as it was referred to on this list) When Bill Cosby raised those same points, he was criticized for "acting too white".

    I am damn proud to be an American. But it would be denying truth to try and deny or diminish the errors we made in our past regarding slavery and the Native Americans. Having said that, taking the good with the bad, this IS the greatest country in the history of the world for men and women who want to be free. Maybe we didn't get it right the first time around, but thanks to progressives, we righted some of the early wrongs. Now we need to work out some economic issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    For this article Buchanan earns a truly special niche in Hell. This should be a spot where he can watch his children be kidnapped, sold, placed into the holds of ships and, if they are among the "lucky" ones they may survive heat, starvation and disease to reach the golden shores of America to which they should offer prayers of gratitude.

    There he should be forced to watch as they are sold off as chattel and then bred selectively over generations for those special traits that make a good slave: strong back, trainability, ability to accept pressure without responding aggressively.

    I suspect then that there were as many different types of breeders then as there are now with our retrievers. The elite who might give all the attention to breeding a good slave that they would to breeding a good hunting dog. Those equivalent to today's puppy mills, breeding for volume and quick sales. And even some back yard breeders asking around their neighbors for a good stud to match up with that special little girl before she gets too old.

    Let Buchanan watch that from his niche in Hell, ever thankful that in return his children are being introduced to a white God and preachers who will help his children accept their industrious role as slaves. After four, five or six generations watching his children and his grandchildren and their children and so forth being bred like so many dogs, let Buchanan watch through the years of Reconstruction when the promise of 40 acres and a mule rapidly turned into a world of horror where former slaves remained for the next 40 years under controls as rigid as those they faced under slavery. And while the situation improved over the next hundred years, there is no quick correction for all those generations of special breeding and special "education".

    And to counter this what does Buchanan say are the benefits for which blacks should be grateful? Blacks in this country fared better than blacks in the other African countries that were conquered and exploited viciously by the colonial powers eager to control their natural resources. Grateful for their religious conversion at the end of a whip? Grateful for the destruction of their language and culture, for the selling off of their children, for centuries of inadequate education? Let Buchanan watch his children go through that experience generation after generation and then let him bow down and tell us all "Thanks".

    This is one of the most outrageously ethnocentric and arrogant articles I have ever read. Next we'll see cartoons of Buchanan carrying a cross with a black man nailed to it and the slogan "The White Man's Burden." Let him roast in Hell, watching his children in all their generations going through that experience he now praises.
    This just makes me realize that reason on either side is in short supply these days.
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    If you dudes are looking for a real fascist look no further than Buchanan. If you substitute "the German people' in Adolph's speeches "the American people" in Buchanan's speeches you have a pretty close parallel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    For this article Buchanan earns a truly special niche in Hell. This should be a spot where he can watch his children be kidnapped, sold, placed into the holds of ships and, if they are among the "lucky" ones they may survive heat, starvation and disease to reach the golden shores of America to which they should offer prayers of gratitude.

    There he should be forced to watch as they are sold off as chattel and then bred selectively over generations for those special traits that make a good slave: strong back, trainability, ability to accept pressure without responding aggressively.

    I suspect then that there were as many different types of breeders then as there are now with our retrievers. The elite who might give all the attention to breeding a good slave that they would to breeding a good hunting dog. Those equivalent to today's puppy mills, breeding for volume and quick sales. And even some back yard breeders asking around their neighbors for a good stud to match up with that special little girl before she gets too old.

    Let Buchanan watch that from his niche in Hell, ever thankful that in return his children are being introduced to a white God and preachers who will help his children accept their industrious role as slaves. After four, five or six generations watching his children and his grandchildren and their children and so forth being bred like so many dogs, let Buchanan watch through the years of Reconstruction when the promise of 40 acres and a mule rapidly turned into a world of horror where former slaves remained for the next 40 years under controls as rigid as those they faced under slavery. And while the situation improved over the next hundred years, there is no quick correction for all those generations of special breeding and special "education".

    And to counter this what does Buchanan say are the benefits for which blacks should be grateful? Blacks in this country fared better than blacks in the other African countries that were conquered and exploited viciously by the colonial powers eager to control their natural resources. Grateful for their religious conversion at the end of a whip? Grateful for the destruction of their language and culture, for the selling off of their children, for centuries of inadequate education? Let Buchanan watch his children go through that experience generation after generation and then let him bow down and tell us all "Thanks".

    This is one of the most outrageously ethnocentric and arrogant articles I have ever read. Next we'll see cartoons of Buchanan carrying a cross with a black man nailed to it and the slogan "The White Man's Burden." Let him roast in Hell, watching his children in all their generations going through that experience he now praises.

    Jeff....WTF?

    Where are you coming from? You are spewing the most vile crap I have ever heard. Your hatred of Pat Buchannan is almost palpable.

    Yeah...his 2nd paragraph is off the charts stupid. But after that...the man makes very reasonable points...much of which are public statistics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXduckdog View Post
    Jeff....WTF?

    Where are you coming from? You are spewing the most vile crap I have ever heard. Your hatred of Pat Buchannan is almost palpable.

    Yeah...his 2nd paragraph is off the charts stupid. But after that...the man makes very reasonable points...much of which are public statistics.
    You are right. My disgust with Buchanan is very visceral. I believe he is truly evil. If he has redeeming characteristics, he saves them for his private life. In his public incarnation, he is a liar and a hate monger.

    His second paragraph is off the charts. His following paragraphs follow the tune.

    "Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ' 60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream."

    If blacks were the only beneficiaries of programs for the poor, there would be no such programs. The poster children for the War on Poverty were the white families of the Appalachias. Blacks represent about 22% of Medicaid beneficiaries (
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv...us06.table.416). While I have not yet found direct data, I believe they represent a much lower percentage of expenditures under Medicaid since the overwhelming bulk of these expenses go to the elderly and disabled (http://www.cms.hhs.gov/ActuarialStudies/downloads/MedicaidReport2008.pdf) rather than to adults and children where blacks are more overrepresented. Similar statistics apply to the pther programs mentioned by Buchanan. Buchanan's classification of these programs as examples of white lifting up blacks is itself a product of his racist glasses. Blacks are overrepresented in these programs for a simple reason. Whites earn $1.67 to $2 for every dollar earned by blacks.

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    Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks. "

    In my mind, if whites are being discriminated against by all of these programs, you would expect to see blacks overrepresented in all of those jobs and college seats. They aren't. There are lots of explanatons for the fact that whites remain favored in the outcomes of hiring, college admission, and contracting decisions. However, what no one can prove is that they end up being favored because they are somehow better according to some miraculously objective measurement.

    As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

    Whites and hispanics classified as whites make up about 80% of the population. If black crime was color blind, 80% of black crime would be against whites. How then does the 45% number cited by Buchanan become eviene of racism? Buchanan's statistics on rape are not attributed to a source but create a completely erroneous set of perceptions. Assuming they are based on Federal statistics, which only include a fraction of rapes, the reality is that most rapes and murders are not interracial at all. For those that are, the rates remain lower than would be expected if victims were selected in a colorblind way. How then can the underrepresentation of whites among black victims be counted as evidence of racism? Buchanan's "statistics" are not only given no source, they are distorted in a manner designed to promote racial division.

    You are absolutely correct that I detest what Buchanan stands for. The reason is simple: he stands for hate and all that is worst about America. Standing up as an apologist for slavery and suggesting that the children of slaves should be grateful and the children of slave holders should be proud of their role in lifting blacks out of the heathen ways is simply the most recent example of his hatefulness, not mine.
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    I didn't think you believed in hell Jeff!! Or is that a place reserved for the far right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXduckdog View Post
    Jeff....WTF?

    Where are you coming from? You are spewing the most vile crap I have ever heard. Your hatred of Pat Buchannan is almost palpable.

    Yeah...his 2nd paragraph is off the charts stupid. But after that...the man makes very reasonable points...much of which are public statistics.
    I happen to agree with your statement except please name another country where blacks have reached a higher level of freedom and prosperity than the US. History is replete with people who have been enslaved. It is also replete with those that have risen either because or in spite of it. I do not believe future outcomes are preordained by past events, those that do, in my opinion, are practicing a reprehensible form of elitism.
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