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    Quote Originally Posted by gman0046 View Post
    Yardley, affirmative action has been proven over and over not to work. I worked for the Federal Government and can't tell you how many blacks were set up for failure by affirmative action as they didn't posses the skills necessary for the job they were promoted into. I've also seen many jobs were white males need not apply. Affirmative action is nothing more then reverse discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gman0046 View Post
    Yardley, affirmative action has been proven over and over not to work. I worked for the Federal Government and can't tell you how many blacks were set up for failure by affirmative action as they didn't posses the skills necessary for the job they were promoted into. I've also seen many jobs were white males need not apply. Affirmative action is nothing more then reverse discrimination.
    There in a nutshell we see the basic root of the rights opposition to Obama. They don't believe the country should be led by a black man.
    That friends, is what we call racism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman0046 View Post
    Yardley, affirmative action has been proven over and over not to work. I worked for the Federal Government and can't tell you how many blacks were set up for failure by affirmative action as they didn't posses the skills necessary for the job they were promoted into. I've also seen many jobs were white males need not apply. Affirmative action is nothing more then reverse discrimination.
    It is virtually impossible to have a balanced conversation about affirmative action without going well beyond the sound bites traditionally allowed in news or even forum environments. I do not believe that affirmative action is in any manner whatsoever equivalent to reverse racism. Those who condemn it as such are usually choosing to look at only one side of the decisions being made. However, I agree absolutely that many blacks are set up for failure by people claiming to be responding to requirements for affirmative action. The fact is that no requirements for affirmative action require anyone to hire an unqualified individual. If they do so the fault is the incompetence of the person doing the hiring -- not the affirmative action requirements and not the individual being hired. There was a post on this forum several months ago that is illustrative of the type of problem encountered (I will make no effort to find the post since my comment is not intended as a reflection on the poster). The person indicated that he had been passed over for a job to hire a less qualified minority person. He noted that his father and other family members worked in the field, that he had summer jobs in the field, and that he was well connected to the other workers in the field but still did not get the job. In many industries, hiring is done traditionally through such personal networks. A by product of this is that fields that are dominated by a particular group tend to be closed to people outside of that group.

    Affirmative action, done correctly, forces employers to expand their horizons in looking for new recruits. I believe that this benefits both the people hired and the companies that do the hiring because those new people bring new blood and new perspectives that can help improve the ways things are done. Unfortunately, the individuals who would have benefited from the more restrictive recruiting perspective lose when competition for jobs is opened up in this way.

    Even more insidious are the arguments of reverse discrimination when test results are over-turned. In college admissions, there have been many law suits where people with higher college admission test scores have sued when minorities were admitted with lower scores. In another context, these same individuals might be the ones arguing that such test results are artificial. However, in this context the test scores are assigned some miraculously unerring skill in determining who is or is not most qualified. Personally, my experience and the experience of people who make admission decisions on a regular basis is that such test scores are simply one tool to be used in identifying the best candidates. While there are real differences between candidates with widely varying scores, there is almost no difference between individuals with scores in similar ranges. Further, scores are often inordinately affected by certain factors that are not at all related to the actual capabilities of the individuals tested. For example, cultural differences, language differences, class differences, prior test taking experience, etc. can all affect results significantly but have no implications for future success. Even in the absence of affirmative action, this results in decisions that would appear irrational if measured solely against test results.

    Another consideration is that when making admission decisions or hiring decisions, my goal is not to hire the most "qualified" individual for the job. My goal is to create to most qualified team or, in the case of a school, the student body that will provide the most challenging educational environment for helping students to excel. For example, in staffing large teams to design and implement computer systems, I found that I needed a mix of people who were highly experienced with the tools being used balanced by a group of highly motivated and intelligent people with little to no experience with the tools being used. If I replaced those less experienced staff with more experienced programmers, total team productivity declined dramatically even while costs of development went up. There are lots of reasons for this, but they underscore the point that there are no simple measures of who is "best qualified" for a position. In particular, I found that cultural diversity was one of the factors that measurably improved team productivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    There in a nutshell we see the basic root of the rights opposition to Obama. They don't believe the country should be led by a black man.
    That friends, is what we call racism.

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    WHAT?!

    That has nothing to do with the opposition to Obama. I am sure that there are a few people that oppose him due to that, but not 'the right'. Could it have anything to do with his lack of experience? How about his questionable ties with questionable people in his life? What about his far left ideals and policies? What part of that is racist?

    I hope you are stirring the pot, because if not, you must be pretty ignorant to make a comment like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Seems to be of great importance to Glenn Beck and his followers.

    And that's your answer to my questions? Seems obvious you have no answers.

    As to your questioning the 'count', according to what I've seen, it's more than a few thousand. Even someone only looking through one eye could make that estimate.

    But, as stated, it will have little to do with what your party chooses to see, or what this corrupt administration chooses to force upon us all.

    Just for the hell of it, take a look at this:

    I ' ve been receiving these all day, and I thought I ' d send this one out that seems to have the most pics (except this one has a really great shot of the masses outside the capitol from a different angle than most:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213056/Up-million-march-US-Capitol-protest-Obamas-spending-tea-party-demonstration.html?ITO=1490 ) It's quite the spectacle.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    There in a nutshell we see the basic root of the rights opposition to Obama. They don't believe the country should be led by a black man.
    That friends, is what we call racism.

    JD
    And this post, in a nutshell, is an example of why there will never be an honest discussion of race relations. No opposing view will ever be discussed without the left turning to the race card.

    There is obviously a difference in performance between the races. The left would like to place that blame on the history of the country and racism only, and that could play a large roll in the current problems in black culture. But any alternative to that view isn't even discussed, and is shot down as racism 100% of the time. If the problems in black culture are rooted in a combination of factors and some of those factors are within the culture itself, they will never be worked out, because there will never be a discussion about them.

    I'm going to end right there before I'm accused of being a racist.

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    JDogger you are whacked. Nowhere in my post about Affirmative Action is Obamas name even mentioned and you turn it into a racist issue. Get real, you Liberals are the ones always spouting racism if someone doesn't agree with your views. The fact of the matter is Obama has NEVER run anything, not even a Dairy Queen which is becoming very apparent to the American Public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gman0046 View Post
    JDogger you are whacked. Nowhere in my post about Affirmative Action is Obamas name even mentioned and you turn it into a racist issue. Get real, you Liberals are the ones always spouting racism if someone doesn't agree with your views. The fact of the matter is Obama has NEVER run anything, not even a Dairy Queen which is becoming very apparent to the American Public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gman0046 View Post
    JDogger you are whacked.
    Good responce gman.

    Here's a little more.

    Hoosier writes;

    "There is obviously a difference in performance between the races."

    Care to elaborate on that a little more Tremayne?

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