I am disgusted

[YardleyLabs]

Yardley, you just can't help yourself can you? No where did Smitty's post mention racism. Your the one spewing racism with your half ass posts. Is it something in the water in Pennsylvania? It seems thats where most of Liberal kooks are from and we in the south get the blame for being racists. Its Liberals like you that always turn things into something racial. Just glad I live in Dixie.

Actually, I didn't call Smitty or anyone else in this conversation a racist. However, Smitty's post quoted mine in which I had said:

"Unfortunately, I do believe that many who are afraid of liberal philosophies, are willing to accept alliances with bigots and race baiters (a category that I believe includes the likes of Pat Buchanan and Glen Beck) in their desperation. The Southern Strategy of Nixon and Reagan gave an aura of legitimacy to such alliances, and today that fraction of the right that is racist has become an essential part of electoral strategy. Personally, I believe that the Republican Party needs to either file for divorce or die. A political party that is incapable of attracting a significant percentage of minority votes will have little role in shaping the future of our nation."

His reaction, which only quoted the last two sentences of my comment, was to suggest that all Democrats (presumably including myself), shoot ourselves unless I am misinterpreting the phrase "suck start a .45". I'm simply asking for an explanation of such an apparently unprovoked reaction.

[Bruce MacPherson]

Smitty,

Is this just a random comment, or a response to my suggestion that the Republican party should disassociate itself from bigots and make a conscious effort to attract minority support to avoid future irrelevance? Are you saying my analysis is incorrect, or are you suggesting that if Democrats would simply kill themselves that Republicans could thrive as a virtually whites only organization?

May I remind you it wasn't that long ago that the Democrat party was facing irrelevance. If conservatives would have acted like conservatives during this last administration it is my opinion that would still be the case. I believe solid ideas will always beat good intentions. Looked at objectively FDR's New Deal, LBJs Great society, abject failures. The party that has made this about race has not been the party of conservatives. Rather the party that at it's core has a frightening plantation mentality developed to keep the poor folk just happy enough not to leave home and keep their need for power and big government alive and well.

[zeus3925]

We'll see if we can get A_O and Smitty to take their meds. Now where did they put their Thorazine?

[Hoosier]

Looks like it's time for a full-on IGNORE movement.....

kg

That is the most intelligent thing I've read on this entire thread. Now lets not make the mistake of quoting.

[SMITTYSSGTUSMC]

Smitty,

Is this just a random comment, or a response to my suggestion that the Republican party should disassociate itself from bigots and make a conscious effort to attract minority support to avoid future irrelevance? Are you saying my analysis is incorrect, or are you suggesting that if Democrats would simply kill themselves that Republicans could thrive as a virtually whites only organization?
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Jeff Goodwin


Jeff,
I have allowed to you spew forth your vile discontent while keeping my mouth I.E. key board relatively quite for a long time. While I do not agree with you on any subject saving for the fact that running labs in this sport is a good time, I will not sit back and let you state “Personally, I believe that the Republican Party needs to either file for divorce or die.” KEY WORD DIE without reciprocation of my personal beliefs that “I also believe the Democrats should try to suck start a .45 just saying.”

Now as in any socialist society we would have to wipeout one political party to have a one party system I would prefer we get rid of the democrats, and you would prefer we get rid or republicans.

I hope this helps explain my reason for the comment earlier but I am sure you will still think of me as raciest. Because that is all you have to go on, as a democrat you can not honestly say you look forward to working harder for less money just because you want to give a portion to those who will not get off there ass and get a job. Now if the ass is black, white, brown, purple, yellow, does not matter I do not want to support the lazy. If you want to call me a raciest then that is the demographic I am raciest against the lazy not a color, (a choice) You and those like you that support big government are creating more lazy people and I would prefer we give them a .45 and let them “suck start” said weapon as there burden on society will be that of about $.89 depending on what type of ammo.

[dnf777]

Does anyone here deny outright that there are some in the extreme right driven by racist ideals? Maybe just a few? (to be fair, the left also) I think the comments were directed at the mainstream NON-RACIST republicans who are getting painted with the same brush by the widespread media coverage of the few kooks. That it would serve them well to dissociate with that crowd. Just like most mainstream dems dissociate with Rev Wright and Bill Ayers. All families have their crazy uncles.....but you shouldn't be seen hanging out with them in public too much!

And from an independant viewpoint, I see dems distancing themselves from their crazy uncles much more effectively than the Republicans. Although the dems have never worked in harmony....too many "liberal" ie free thinkers, and not as many good soldiers.

[Gerry Clinchy]

Does anyone here deny outright that there are some in the extreme right driven by racist ideals? Maybe just a few? (to be fair, the left also)

I think that was noted by several of us.

I think the comments were directed at the mainstream NON-RACIST republicans who are getting painted with the same brush by the widespread media coverage of the few kooks. That it would serve them well to dissociate with that crowd.

Absolutely. As mentioned on the audio I heard, at the DC demo, one of the leaders of the 9-12 demonstrators clearly disavowed the "handful" of nutcases in the crowd. However, that didn't get as much airtime as the kooks.

And, clearly I don't recall that anyone on this forum had anything but disapproval for the fellow who wore a weapon to the O's townhall meeting.

Just like most mainstream dems dissociate with Rev Wright and Bill Ayers. All families have their crazy uncles.....but you shouldn't be seen hanging out with them in public too much!

And from an independant viewpoint, I see dems distancing themselves from their crazy uncles much more effectively than the Republicans. Although the dems have never worked in harmony....too many "liberal" ie free thinkers, and not as many good soldiers.

Here on this forum A-O didn't seem to think disavowal meant anything ... just that we were denying that we were really racists at heart, just didn't want to admit it to ourselves.

I have a sense that some people who are registered Ds, may be independents at heart; same for Rs. But one figures out after a while as an independent that it makes some sense to register with one party or the other to be able to vote in the primaries. However, I'm beginning to wonder about that when the choices in the primaries also turn out to be "the least of the evils".

I might tend to agree that many of our legislators, however, may place integrity behind other agendas.

[Bruce MacPherson]

Does anyone here deny outright that there are some in the extreme right driven by racist ideals? Maybe just a few? (to be fair, the left also) I think the comments were directed at the mainstream NON-RACIST republicans who are getting painted with the same brush by the widespread media coverage of the few kooks. That it would serve them well to dissociate with that crowd. Just like most mainstream dems dissociate with Rev Wright and Bill Ayers. All families have their crazy uncles.....but you shouldn't be seen hanging out with them in public too much!

And from an independant viewpoint, I see dems distancing themselves from their crazy uncles much more effectively than the Republicans. Although the dems have never worked in harmony....too many "liberal" ie free thinkers, and not as many good soldiers.

Some people have racist views. They are on the right and the left. The objectionable thing here is that it is becoming, at least to me, evident that when this administration and it's supporters feel they are losing the argument, policy wise, they have no problem claiming it's about race rather than their policy.

[YardleyLabs]

Smitty,

Is this just a random comment, or a response to my suggestion that the Republican party should disassociate itself from bigots and make a conscious effort to attract minority support to avoid future irrelevance? Are you saying my analysis is incorrect, or are you suggesting that if Democrats would simply kill themselves that Republicans could thrive as a virtually whites only organization?
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Jeff Goodwin


Jeff,
I have allowed to you spew forth your vile discontent while keeping my mouth I.E. key board relatively quite for a long time. While I do not agree with you on any subject saving for the fact that running labs in this sport is a good time, I will not sit back and let you state “Personally, I believe that the Republican Party needs to either file for divorce or die.” KEY WORD DIE without reciprocation of my personal beliefs that “I also believe the Democrats should try to suck start a .45 just saying.”

Now as in any socialist society we would have to wipeout one political party to have a one party system I would prefer we get rid of the democrats, and you would prefer we get rid or republicans.

I hope this helps explain my reason for the comment earlier but I am sure you will still think of me as raciest. Because that is all you have to go on, as a democrat you can not honestly say you look forward to working harder for less money just because you want to give a portion to those who will not get off there ass and get a job. Now if the ass is black, white, brown, purple, yellow, does not matter I do not want to support the lazy. If you want to call me a raciest then that is the demographic I am raciest against the lazy not a color, (a choice) You and those like you that support big government are creating more lazy people and I would prefer we give them a .45 and let them “suck start” said weapon as there burden on society will be that of about $.89 depending on what type of ammo.

Actually I would prefer to have two political parties that are both strong and a center of power that moves back and forth between them. That way each knows that if they become too arrogant in how they wield their temporary power that payback will come in the not very distant future.

I believe that our current problems began when Newt and friends decided that if they played their cards right they could obliterate the Democratic party forever. That kind of thinking leads to nihilistically destructive partisanship as has been evidenced on both sides since 1996, although one could argue that it goes back to the election of 1964. I sincerely believe that our future as a nation depends on ending that type of dispute by reestablishing a tradition of compromise toward centrist positions. This is feared by the extremists of both parties who know that a move toward the center will marginalize their positions.

For the record, I did not call you a racist or mean to imply it in any way.

[dnf777]

Some people have racist views. They are on the right and the left. The objectionable thing here is that it is becoming, at least to me, evident that when this administration and it's supporters feel they are losing the argument, policy wise, they have no problem claiming it's about race rather than their policy.

Obama has flat out rebuked Carter's claim. And I think he is a legitimate spokesperson for this administration!

I agree with many points of the protesters. Thats why I hate to see them undermined by the extremists who grab all the tv spots. I don't seek to discredit all, or even most republicans with race claims, and I think that is clear from my other posts. But I cannot reconcile some of the rhetoric we've seen with legitimate debate.

Calling escaped gorillas a relative of Michelle Obama isn't racist? Cartoons of watermelons on the whitehouse lawn isn't racist? Granted, those idiots don't speak for mainstream republicans (God, I hope) but it would be nice to see them rebuked by others on the right, just as the left tried to push Wright and Ayers aside.