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    I have never seen such vile people then those on the left.

    During the 2004 campaign I went to my first political rally with a friend. I was appalled to witness the left calling Bush every disgusting name on earth as well as a middle aged man spit on a 8 year old child that was holding a Bush sign. If I could have reached him in a timely manner he would not have been standing upright any longer.

    This was my first experience and showed me what the left of this country is really about.

    I also witnessed a "granola-head" type cuss out a US serviceman and claim he was a baby killer shortly after our invasion of Iraq. I was surprised at how well the serviceman handled himself. I would not have been so kind.

    The left complains of its mistreatment when they are the ones that are the master of lies and vulgarity. They can not take responsibility for any issue and will always blame others. They then seek to make every issue a catastrophic event i.e., global warming, excuse me now its climate change (little proof of man caused), Health care (70% are happy with our current health care system), housing ( can you say Fannie Mae and the housing bubble), homelessness (only important under Reagan) Irag and Afgan wars (even though most voted for it before they were against it) and many others.

    They run from one crisis to another blaming everyone and then claim Republicans are warmongers, mean and out to scare the elderly.

    "The left- master of lies and promoters of blame"

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    Some among the government are using Hitler's big lie technique in an effort to legitimize this administration and its far out goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    where was the outrage then by the left wing media?
    The faux documentary which was far from a promotion of such an assassination and more a science fiction like exploration of how a Cheney run government might respond, was widely criticized at the time of its short-lived (14 day) limited run in theaters. Hillary Clinton said "I think it's despicable. I think it's absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick."

    When a pseudo-intellectual book called Checkpoint was published and was set within the fictional context of an assassination of Bush, Rush Limbaugh said "How far does the Bush hatred have to go before every fair-minded American says, 'Enough'?" The New York Times Book Review called Checkpoint a "scummy book". Slate called it pornography. The book was panned by the liberal and conservative press even before it was published based on its central premise.

    The fact is that a number of the more popular blowhards of the right have thought little of wishing for the death -- natural or otherwise -- of those they perceive as liberal. When called out, they claim, as Michelle Malkin does, that assassination fascination is somehow a liberal characteristic. Pat Robertson thinks nothing of calling for the killing of Hugo Chavez. I don't see any ligitmate members of the liberal cohorts making similar calls to infamy. Malkin makes big hype about Kill Bush t-shirts, but never mentions the t-shirts with Obama's face on a target. And in fact, on her blog, malkin features comments from one of her readers suggesting obraining copies of Obama inauguration posters for use in target practice. ("The constant double standard is enough to choke a pig. An advanced copy??? You have to be kidding! So, if we get advance copies of the poster, can we then use it for target practice? Common, give me a massive break.").
    Double standard does seem like an appropriate term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I guess that the right is no better in this regard than the left...

    They don't appear to be. I guess the left set the standard for acceptable behavior and it is a pretty low standard at that and are now living with the result.

    They donít appear to like it...

    Ironic isn't it
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Hmmmm... if you notice my posts, I really try to avoid name calling or insulting anyone just because we have different opinions on matters, and I always try to refer to our presidents as Mr. or Pres. so-and-so.
    By "always" I'm guessing you meant "everywhere else but on this message board..." or "as of today...." FWIW, I don't think one needs to put Mr. before Bush or Obama to confer respect to the office.

    Sorry, but I don't think anyone who accuses Cheney of starting a war so he could increase his personal wealth gets to cry crocodile tears about the sad state of political discourse today without being assessed a 15 yard penalty for ridiculous hypocrisy.

    The notion that conservatives or conservative commentators are supposed to feel responsible for the behaivor of a handful of idiots is laughable. By the way, after a summer of discontent from conservatives (generally speaking), how many ended up in jail or arrested for their violent protests? And how many lefties (generally speaking) ended up in the Pittsburgh jail in one day? And we're supposed to be worried about the rightwing kooks, huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    They don't appear to be. I guess the left set the standard for acceptable behavior and it is a pretty low standard at that and are now living with the result.

    They donít appear to like it...

    Ironic isn't it
    Exactly. As Obama's preacher might say, "The Left's chickens are coming home to roost."
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    The irony here is the call is made in the face of condoning the identical behavior, by those making the call, in this case dnf777, against President George W. Bush."

    Sounds to me like your accusing me of condoning identical behavior against President Bush. Your words, not mine. Need to get them straight too, because saying I condone death threats against the President of the United States is a character smear and FLAT OUT LIE, and you need to set the record straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    The irony here is the call is made in the face of condoning the identical behavior, by those making the call, in this case dnf777, against President George W. Bush."

    Sounds to me like your accusing me of condoning identical behavior against President Bush. Your words, not mine. Need to get them straight too, because saying I condone death threats against the President of the United States is a character smear and FLAT OUT LIE, and you need to set the record straight.
    my point, where was your call against it when President George W. Bush was targeted by it?

    You accepted it when Presidnet George W. Bush was targeted but want outrage or condemnation now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by subroc View Post
    my point, where was your call against it when President George W. Bush was targeted by it?

    You accepted it when Presidnet George W. Bush was targeted but want outrage or condemnation now.
    No, your point was that I "accepted it when President Bush was targeted..." (see your quote above) That is a LIE. What do you want me to do, present character witnesses on this forum? Tapes, video,?? HELLO I wasn't even on this forum when Bush was president. As I said, I was not happy with the movie "Independence Day" when they blew up the whitehouse and a bunch of cretins cheered, I was pissed when Reagan was shot, I was pissed when I hear Hussein had planned to assassinate Bush I (and happy to be serving in al Karj with the 108ADA when Clinton ordered a bombing strike in retaliation for that) and I was not happy with the shoe thrower for humiliating our president publicly. Nor am I happy now when people carry guns to political rallies or conduct surveys about murder.

    Do you get it yet? I may disagree strongly with policies, but respect the office, as it represents the USA. And I do NOT condone any reference to violence against the president. You presume to know a lot about people you don't even know. And in this case, you're very, very wrong.

    Here's an article along the same lines. Michael Steele has already attacked Mr. Friedman on this article. He (TF) has been dead-on right in the past on global issues, and the Nobel Society agreed. May not like his politics, but he is accurate and insightful. Also a critic of Obama, BTW.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/op...=1&ref=opinion
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