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    some of you seem to be confused; is the present administration marxist/socialist or fascist?

    these ideologies are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

    Bob, especially, seems enjoy drawing comparisons to nazi fascists, which i find troubling.

    there's a lot of bitterness and loathing in so many of the posts on this forum, but when someone says one of them is aligning with the extreme right or left media, they always deny it.

    most of the country is trying to work towards bettering our lot. a few want to lob rocks over the fence they themselves have made.

    like it or not, the President was elected by popular and electoral vote. i believe he will try to do the best he can for our country. some here seem to think he is the architect of some diabolical plot to ruin our nation. at least that's what you infer.

    we are all Americans and we're all human. we have much more in common than we have differences. i wish everyone here would acknowledge that and work towards a better future rather than sit on the sidelines and hope we fail.-Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    some of you seem to be confused; is the present administration marxist/socialist or fascist?

    these ideologies are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

    Bob, especially, seems enjoy drawing comparisons to nazi fascists, which i find troubling.

    there's a lot of bitterness and loathing in so many of the posts on this forum, but when someone says one of them is aligning with the extreme right or left media, they always deny it.

    most of the country is trying to work towards bettering our lot. a few want to lob rocks over the fence they themselves have made.

    like it or not, the President was elected by popular and electoral vote. i believe he will try to do the best he can for our country. some here seem to think he is the architect of some diabolical plot to ruin our nation. at least that's what you infer.

    we are all Americans and we're all human. we have much more in common than we have differences. i wish everyone here would acknowledge that and work towards a better future rather than sit on the sidelines and hope we fail.-Paul
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    Whose sitting on the sidelines?

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    As HEW noted on another thread, those that use the term neo-con are normally using it as a general epithet for conservatives with little understanding of what the term actually means. The same is true for virtually every use of the terms socialist, Marxist, and fascist on this forum: all are used without regard for actual meaning as general epithets for anyone to the left of the right wing of the Republican Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    some of you seem to be confused; is the present administration marxist/socialist or fascist?

    these ideologies are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

    Bob, especially, seems enjoy drawing comparisons to nazi fascists, which i find troubling.

    there's a lot of bitterness and loathing in so many of the posts on this forum, but when someone says one of them is aligning with the extreme right or left media, they always deny it.

    most of the country is trying to work towards bettering our lot. a few want to lob rocks over the fence they themselves have made.

    like it or not, the President was elected by popular and electoral vote. i believe he will try to do the best he can for our country. some here seem to think he is the architect of some diabolical plot to ruin our nation. at least that's what you infer.

    we are all Americans and we're all human. we have much more in common than we have differences. i wish everyone here would acknowledge that and work towards a better future rather than sit on the sidelines and hope we fail.-Paul
    I generally, actually, agree with what you say, though perhaps I am not quite as optimistic.

    Case in point: I think a huge proportion of us have been pretty dumb as citizens the past decade or more, and I think that we ALL have to be a whole lot smarter if we're going to improve our collective lot and not tear each other apart over false issues.

    I would like to see, as one of the first steps, a collective cry of outrage over poor media coverage of real issues, and a genuine respect and support for reporters who are actually attempting to uncover truths.

    I don't know if the politicians are architects... or pawns... or something else, perhaps some of them even something good. Or maybe not.

    Getting at the truth about the financial world and how it really works, and where and how and why it intersects with the political world--THAT is a topic worthy of some serious non-partisan investigation and reporting, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    As HEW noted on another thread, those that use the term neo-con are normally using it as a general epithet for conservatives with little understanding of what the term actually means. The same is true for virtually every use of the terms socialist, Marxist, and fascist on this forum: all are used without regard for actual meaning as general epithets for anyone to the left of the right wing of the Republican Party.

    Ah yes...the OMNISCIENT Yardley has spoken. Only HE has the wisdom to be the erudite soul with the understanding of how stupid we conservatives are.

    If you don't see how this administration is becoming a very real form of fascism, you are blinded by the light of your messiah.

    But just for chuckles and grins, let's examine just what that "fascism" word means, so all of us idjits know what we are referring to.

    Mr. Webster tells us: fascism (sometimes F) a system of government characterized by strict one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism etc.

    Ummmmm, Ummmmm, Ummmmmm...pretty much the direction we seem to be headed.

    As far as the usage of Marxist and socialist, one was developed by the other, although Marxism was more tied to communism, and thus considered more heinous than little ol' socialism...but then, that's usually in the eye of the beer holder, eh.

    There actually are some conservatives that might cut you a little slack on here...you do bring some intelligence to your posts. Just stop attempting to be the big fish in the small pond, Yardley, and puhleeze try to hide your contemptuous arrogance.

    What you and many on the left see as some flag waving redneck ignorance about certain facets of this government takeover of our freedoms, rest assured it is not stupidity...it is PASSION about what this nation stands for, and how we see these freedoms being legislated away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    ...you do bring some intelligence to your posts. Just stop attempting to be the big fish in the small pond, and puhleeze try to hide your contemptuous arrogance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    Ah yes...the OMNISCIENT Yardley has spoken. Only HE has the wisdom to be the erudite soul with the understanding of how stupid we conservatives are.

    If you don't see how this administration is becoming a very real form of fascism, you are blinded by the light of your messiah.

    But just for chuckles and grins, let's examine just what that "fascism" word means, so all of us idjits know what we are referring to.

    Mr. Webster tells us: fascism (sometimes F) a system of government characterized by strict one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism etc.

    Ummmmm, Ummmmm, Ummmmmm...pretty much the direction we seem to be headed.

    As far as the usage of Marxist and socialist, one was developed by the other, although Marxism was more tied to communism, and thus considered more heinous than little ol' socialism...but then, that's usually in the eye of the beer holder, eh.

    There actually are some conservatives that might cut you a little slack on here...you do bring some intelligence to your posts. Just stop attempting to be the big fish in the small pond, Yardley, and puhleeze try to hide your contemptuous arrogance.

    What you and many on the left see as some flag waving redneck ignorance about certain facets of this government takeover of our freedoms, rest assured it is not stupidity...it is PASSION about what this nation stands for, and how we see these freedoms being legislated away.

    UB
    From Merriam Webster:

    Facism:
    1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality J. W. Aldridge>


    I would say we were closer under the prior administration, but no American government has even come close. On those occasions when we have played at the fringes, the impetus has generally come from the right: e.g., Joe McCarthy and the House un-American Activities Committee during the 1950's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    What you and many on the left see as some flag waving redneck ignorance about certain facets of this government takeover of our freedoms, rest assured it is not stupidity...it is PASSION about what this nation stands for, and how we see these freedoms being legislated away.

    UB
    Just curious...does that apply to the rednecks waving the Confederate flag? You know, the part what our nation stands for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    some of you seem to be confused; is the present administration marxist/socialist or fascist?

    these ideologies are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

    Bob, especially, seems enjoy drawing comparisons to nazi fascists, which i find troubling.

    there's a lot of bitterness and loathing in so many of the posts on this forum, but when someone says one of them is aligning with the extreme right or left media, they always deny it.

    most of the country is trying to work towards bettering our lot. a few want to lob rocks over the fence they themselves have made.

    like it or not, the President was elected by popular and electoral vote. i believe he will try to do the best he can for our country. some here seem to think he is the architect of some diabolical plot to ruin our nation. at least that's what you infer.

    we are all Americans and we're all human. we have much more in common than we have differences. i wish everyone here would acknowledge that and work towards a better future rather than sit on the sidelines and hope we fail.-Paul
    There is no question that this President wants to fundamentally change this country. He has said as much and his actions really do not leave much doubt. Depending on what side of the fence you sit, it can be argued, that this is a good thing or a bad thing but it would be the highest form of naivety, in my opinion, to believe that this President has anything but contempt for those that don't share his view of the world.
    Why on earth would I hope a President who's policies and views are almost diametrically opposed to what I believe in succeed?
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