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    American soldiers serving in Afghanistan are depressed and deeply disillusioned, according to the chaplains of two US battalions that have spent nine months on the front line in the war against the Taleban.

    Many feel that they are risking their lives — and that colleagues have died — for a futile mission and an Afghan population that does nothing to help them, the chaplains told The Times in their makeshift chapel on this fortress-like base in a dusty, brown valley southwest of Kabul.

    “The many soldiers who come to see us have a sense of futility and anger about being here. They are really in a state of depression and despair and just want to get back to their families,” said Captain Jeff Masengale, of the 10th Mountain Division’s 2-87 Infantry Battalion.

    “They feel they are risking their lives for progress that’s hard to discern,” said Captain Sam Rico, of the Division’s 4-25 Field Artillery Battalion. “They are tired, strained, confused and just want to get through.” The chaplains said that they were speaking out because the men could not.

    The base is not, it has to be said, obviously downcast, and many troops do not share the chaplains’ assessment. The soldiers are, by nature and training, upbeat, driven by a strong sense of duty, and they do their jobs as best they can. Re-enlistment rates are surprisingly good for the 2-87, though poor for the 4-25. Several men approached by The Times, however, readily admitted that their morale had slumped.

    “We’re lost — that’s how I feel. I’m not exactly sure why we’re here,” said Specialist Raquime Mercer, 20, whose closest friend was shot dead by a renegade Afghan policeman last Friday. “I need a clear-cut purpose if I’m going to get hurt out here or if I’m going to die.”

    Sergeant Christopher Hughes, 37, from Detroit, has lost six colleagues and survived two roadside bombs. Asked if the mission was worthwhile, he replied: “If I knew exactly what the mission was, probably so, but I don’t.”

    The only soldiers who thought it was going well “work in an office, not on the ground”. In his opinion “the whole country is going to s***”.

    The battalion’s 1,500 soldiers are nine months in to a year-long deployment that has proved extraordinarily tough. Their goal was to secure the mountainous Wardak province and then to win the people’s allegiance through development and good governance. They have, instead, found themselves locked in an increasingly vicious battle with the Taleban.

    They have been targeted by at least 300 roadside bombs, about 180 of which have exploded. Nineteen men have been killed in action, with another committing suicide. About a hundred have been flown home with amputations, severe burns and other injuries likely to cause permanent disability, and many of those have not been replaced. More than two dozen mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles (MRAPs) have been knocked out of action.

    Living conditions are good — abundant food, air-conditioned tents, hot water, free internet — but most of the men are on their second, third or fourth tours of Afghanistan and Iraq, with barely a year between each. Staff Sergeant Erika Cheney, Airborne’s mental health specialist, expressed concern about their mental state — especially those in scattered outposts — and believes that many have mild post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). “They’re tired, frustrated, scared. A lot of them are afraid to go out but will still go,” she said.

    Lieutenant Peter Hjelmstad, 2-87’s Medical Platoon Leader, said sleeplessness and anger attacks were common.

    A dozen men have been confined to desk jobs because they can no longer handle missions outside the base. One long-serving officer who has lost three friends this tour said he sometimes returned to his room at night and cried, or played war games on his laptop. “It’s a release. It’s a method of coping.” He has nightmares and sleeps little, and it does not help that the base is frequently shaken by outgoing artillery fire. He was briefly overcome as he recalled how, when a lorry backfired during his most recent home leave, he grabbed his young son and dived between two parked cars.

    The chaplains said soldiers were seeking their help in unprecedented numbers. “Everyone you meet is just down, and you meet them everywhere — in the weight room, dining facility, getting mail,” said Captain Rico. Even “hard men” were coming to their tent chapel and breaking down.

    The men are frustrated by the lack of obvious purpose or progress. “The soldiers’ biggest question is: what can we do to make this war stop. Catch one person? Assault one objective? Soldiers want definite answers, other than to stop the Taleban, because that almost seems impossible. It’s hard to catch someone you can’t see,” said Specialist Mercer.

    “It’s a very frustrating mission,” said Lieutenant Hjelmstad. “The average soldier sees a friend blown up and his instinct is to retaliate or believe it’s for something [worthwhile], but it’s not like other wars where your buddy died but they took the hill. There’s no tangible reward for the sacrifice. It’s hard to say Wardak is better than when we got here.”

    Captain Masengale, a soldier for 12 years before he became a chaplain, said: “We want to believe in a cause but we don’t know what that cause is.”

    The soldiers are angry that colleagues are losing their lives while trying to help a population that will not help them. “You give them all the humanitarian assistance that they want and they’re still going to lie to you. They’ll tell you there’s no Taleban anywhere in the area and as soon as you roll away, ten feet from their house, you get shot at again,” said Specialist Eric Petty, from Georgia.

    Captain Rico told of the disgust of a medic who was asked to treat an insurgent shortly after pulling a colleague’s charred corpse from a bombed vehicle.

    The soldiers complain that rules of engagement designed to minimise civilian casualties mean that they fight with one arm tied behind their backs. “They’re a joke,” said one. “You get shot at but can do nothing about it. You have to see the person with the weapon. It’s not enough to know which house the shooting’s coming from.”

    The soldiers joke that their Isaf arm badges stand not for International Security Assistance Force but “I Suck At Fighting” or “I Support Afghan Farmers”.

    To compound matters, soldiers are mainly being killed not in combat but on routine journeys, by roadside bombs planted by an invisible enemy. “That’s very demoralising,” said Captain Masengale.

    The constant deployments are, meanwhile, playing havoc with the soldiers’ private lives. “They’re killing families,” he said. “Divorces are skyrocketing. PTSD is off the scale. There have been hundreds of injuries that send soldiers home and affect families for the rest of their lives.”

    The chaplains said that many soldiers had lost their desire to help Afghanistan. “All they want to do is make it home alive and go back to their wives and children and visit the families who have lost husbands and fathers over here. It comes down to just surviving,” said Captain Masengale.

    “If we make it back with ten toes and ten fingers the mission is successful,” Sergeant Hughes said.

    “You carry on for the guys to your left or right,” added Specialist Mercer.

    The chaplains have themselves struggled to cope with so much distress. “We have to encourage them, strengthen them and send them out again. No one comes in and says, ‘I’ve had a great day on a mission’. It’s all pain,” said Captain Masengale. “The only way we’ve been able to make it is having each other.”

    Lieutenant-Colonel Kimo Gallahue, 2-87’s commanding officer, denied that his men were demoralised, and insisted they had achieved a great deal over the past nine months. A triathlete and former rugby player, he admitted pushing his men hard, but argued that taking the fight to the enemy was the best form of defence.

    He said the security situation had worsened because the insurgents had chosen to fight in Wardak province, not abandon it. He said, however, that the situation would have been catastrophic without his men. They had managed to keep open the key Kabul-to-Kandahar highway which dissects Wardak, and prevent the province becoming a launch pad for attacks on the capital, which is barely 20 miles from its border. Above all, Colonel Gallahue argued that counter-insurgency — winning the allegiance of the indigenous population through security, development and good governance — was a long and laborious process that could not be completed in a year. “These 12 months have been, for me, laying the groundwork for future success,” he said.

    At morning service on Sunday, the two chaplains sought to boost the spirits of their flock with uplifting hymns, accompanied by video footage of beautiful lakes, oceans and rivers.

    Captain Rico offered a particularly apposite reading from Corinthians: “We are afflicted in every way but not crushed; perplexed but not driven to despair; persecuted but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed.”
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    AP source: Obama focusing on al-Qaida, not Taliban

    WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama is prepared to accept some Taliban involvement in Afghanistan's political future and appears inclined to send only as many more U.S. troops as needed to keep al-Qaida at bay, a senior administration official said Thursday.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091008/...us_afghanistan

    Looks like Obama is starting to form a plan for Afghanistan.

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    How can anyone expect someone like Obongolo with absolutely NO military experience to make an intelligent decision on Afghanistan? With Osama and Biden its the blind leading the blind. Osama, Biden, Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, Ried, Rangel what a parade of douches. Its truly a sad time for America.

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    A funny thing happened after the election of Barack Obama.

    The media stopped running negative reports on the war. The volume of articles on any aspect of the war dropped significantly. They let Obama "off the hook" for what's happening or not happening over there. His social agenda overshadowed what's happening in Afghanistan. And now the left, complicit with the media.. turns their back on the war and our soldiers. Plain and clear evidence that their anti-war propaganda machine was all about the politics of taking George Bush and the Republicans down, not moral principals regarding war. It's disgusting and a slap in the face of each and every serviceman. We owe them more than that. And we are about to capitulate a war we could have won.
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    Our troops are depressed because our politicians tell them they can't kill a cowardly enemy hiding among civilians and hiding inside mosques. And the enemy hides among civilians and inside mosques because they know Americans have stupid, stupid rules of engagement.

    You let these hard-chargers kill the enemy on sight and this war ends quickly and so does the depression. I'll take a fire team of young Marines over a Battalion of scum-bag terrorists anyday. Marines are great at killing the enemy and breaking their stuff. And if a few civilians die...too bad. I'm sure Allah will figure it all out for them as he's handing out virgins in their heaven.

    But the cowards in Washington won't allow civilian deaths or blown up mosques and that's one of the reasons I've said we need to bring our guys home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    Our troops are depressed because our politicians tell them they can't kill a cowardly enemy hiding among civilians and hiding inside mosques. And the enemy hides among civilians and inside mosques because they know Americans have stupid, stupid rules of engagement.

    You let these hard-chargers kill the enemy on sight and this war ends quickly and so does the depression. I'll take a fire team of young Marines over a Battalion of scum-bag terrorists anyday. Marines are great at killing the enemy and breaking their stuff. And if a few civilians die...too bad. I'm sure Allah will figure it all out for them as he's handing out virgins in their heaven.

    But the cowards in Washington won't allow civilian deaths or blown up mosques and that's one of the reasons I've said we need to bring our guys home.
    Exactly. This stuff is also affecting the guys behind the lines giving the orders, and losing troops along the way. It seems were effective at taming the natives in the 1800's, and the same tactics need to be used in Afganistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gman0046 View Post
    How can anyone expect someone like Obongolo with absolutely NO military experience to make an intelligent decision on Afghanistan? With Osama and Biden its the blind leading the blind. Osama, Biden, Frank, Dodd, Pelosi, Ried, Rangel what a parade of douches. Its truly a sad time for America.
    What about the Bush Administration starting 2 wars but did not know what to do after that. There was no exit strategy and no way of winning.. What did they know about military experience. Bush was in the National Guard and was unaccountable for half of his time there and Cheney ducked the military completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    What about the Bush Administration starting 2 wars but did not know what to do after that. There was no exit strategy and no way of winning.. What did they know about military experience. Bush was in the National Guard and was unaccountable for half of his time there and Cheney ducked the military completely.
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    No, I was serving my country in the U. S. Navy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    What about the Bush Administration starting 2 wars but did not know what to do after that. There was no exit strategy and no way of winning.. What did they know about military experience. Bush was in the National Guard and was unaccountable for half of his time there and Cheney ducked the military completely.
    Roger....an "exit strategy" is BOGUS....its the mission accomplishment that is critical.....sure the Bush Admin lost focus on Afghan...but the effort in Iran is in mop-up stages. You accomplish the mission....then come home....thats all there is to an exit strategy.

    At least Bush surrounded himself with capable military people and listened to his commanders. Cheney has extensive foreign policy and DoD experience.
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