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    Throughout his campaign, and even in to the first few months in office, President Barack Obama repeatedly promised the American people that his health care plan would reduce their health insurance premiums by $2,500 a year. It has been a while since President Obama made that promise, and any honest look at the health legislation being considered in Congress explains why.
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    The Senate Finance Committee bill written by Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT) (the Baucus bill) first drives up the cost of health insurance for all Americans and then forces everyone to buy it or face tax penalties or jail time. While the Baucus bill does cap out-of-pocket costs based on a person’s income, the effect on American families is still staggering. According to the Center for Data Analysis, the Baucus bill would:

    For individuals making $34,140 (three times the Federal Poverty Level) the Baucus health care proposal could mandate up to $4,097 in annual premiums, a sum which could have been spent on over nine months of food, almost four months of housing or well over a year of utilities.

    For a family of four making $69,480 (300% above poverty) the Baucus bill mandates annual health insurance premiums of $8,338, which would be worth the equivalent of over ten months of food, four months of housing or almost two years of utilities.

    For individuals earning $45,520(400% above poverty) Baucus mandates $5,462 for health insurance, or over a year of food, four months of rent or a year and a half of utilities.

    For families earning $92,640 (400% above poverty) Baucus mandates $11,117 in health premiums, the equivalent of over a year of food, five months of housing or two years of utilities.

    And those numbers include the subsidies for health insurance in the Baucus bill. To pay for all this new health care spending, plus the massive expansion of Medicaid, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the Baucus bill will collect $4 billion in fines from those who do not purchase insurance, $200 billion taxing health insurance companies with generous health plans, and $25 billion in taxes on employers. Not to mention the billions in cuts to Medicare payments to hospitals which will result in significant cost shifting to consumers.

    PricewaterhouseCoopers has done a study on what all these new taxes and regulations will do to Americans health insurance premiums and the results are not pretty. Instead of reducing the average family’s health insurance premiums by $2,500 per year, as President Obama promised, the Baucus bill would actually raise them by $4,000 more than they would have been without reform.

    The Baucus bill spends at least $1 trillion, fails to cover all Americans, taxes employers for creating jobs, and inflicts higher out-of-pocket health care costs on all Americans. We can do better.

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    Here's why we need tort reform as part of any health care bill. Expect to see much more of this, possibly coming to a hospital near you!

    http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09285/1004908-100.stm

    With reimbursements going down, and insurance premiums going up, some docs are taking down their ob shingle. Some hospitals as well.
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    Let me get this straight.
    We're going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,

    passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it,

    signed by a president who also hasn't read it, and who smokes,


    with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,

    overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,

    and financed by a country that's broke.

    What possibly could go wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Obamacare Invades Your Wallet





    PricewaterhouseCoopers has done a study on what all these new taxes and regulations will do to Americans health insurance premiums and the results are not pretty. Instead of reducing the average family’s health insurance premiums by $2,500 per year, as President Obama promised, the Baucus bill would actually raise them by $4,000 more than they would have been without reform.

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    We now know that this PricewaterhouseCoopers study was commissioned by AHIP, and did not analyze the bill in it's entirety, only the parts that AHIP asked to have looked at.

    I'm not a supporter of the "Bacus Bill" but this study is unreliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Here's why we need tort reform as part of any health care bill. Expect to see much more of this, possibly coming to a hospital near you!

    http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09285/1004908-100.stm

    With reimbursements going down, and insurance premiums going up, some docs are taking down their ob shingle. Some hospitals as well.

    I am so right there with you on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Here's why we need tort reform as part of any health care bill. Expect to see much more of this, possibly coming to a hospital near you!

    http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09285/1004908-100.stm

    With reimbursements going down, and insurance premiums going up, some docs are taking down their ob shingle. Some hospitals as well.
    What wishful thinking. Your party is BEHOLDING to those shysters. If you believe all the democrat attorneys that are in politics to protect the ass of their associates, will allow tort reform to enter the discussion, you are smoking the same stuff as those Noble Swedes.

    Of course tort reform is probably the most important part of re-vamping any healthcare program, but it won't happen in this environment.

    Nice try, however. Always happy to see someone in your profession recognize how your ox can be helped from being gored so badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    What wishful thinking. Your party is BEHOLDING to those shysters. If you believe all the democrat attorneys that are in politics to protect the ass of their associates, will allow tort reform to enter the discussion, you are smoking the same stuff as those Noble Swedes.

    Of course tort reform is probably the most important part of re-vamping any healthcare program, but it won't happen in this environment.

    Nice try, however. Always happy to see someone in your profession recognize how your ox can be helped from being gored so badly.

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    My party is independent. I have no party. The dems are obviously in the pocket of trial attorneys, I don't dispute that. But what did Bill Frist (R-TN) do when he had a republican house, republican senate, and republican president?

    Seems like neither democrats or republicans are serious about tort reform. Guess I'm just screwed.
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    [quote=dnf777;511467]Here's why we need tort reform as part of any health care bill.

    We actually agree on something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    We now know that this PricewaterhouseCoopers study was commissioned by AHIP, and did not analyze the bill in it's entirety, only the parts that AHIP asked to have looked at.

    I'm not a supporter of the "Bacus Bill" but this study is unreliable.
    Reality, if the Bacus bill passed as is it would be in my personal financial best interest to ditch my health insurance, pay the fine, and if anything major happened pick up insurance at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    Reality, if the Bacus bill passed as is it would be in my personal financial best interest to ditch my health insurance, pay the fine, and if anything major happened pick up insurance at that time.
    Correct. Not very smart is it?
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