Lean Mac Avoidance

[Lucky Number Seven]

I have seen more and more people state that a breeding is Lean Mac free. What are some of the issues that tend to have people shy away from Lean Mac? It is pretty apparent that Lean Mac lines have produced over and over again. Is it traits or hereditary issues or something else? I am looking to get a new pup in the next 6 months any and all information would be good. Not intending to disrupt or hurt any breeders out there but just want to be informed as much as possible. PM me if you don't want to say it to everyone. Thanks.

[BonMallari]

my two theories

1. there are so many linebred Lean Mac dogs out there, people are just trying to bring something new to the equation

2. its a cyclical thing, Mac was the stud/sperm donor/grand sire du jour for the last decade that people just want something fresh..

just my $.02

[DMA]

Could be that folks have Lean Mac in their lines and would like to outcross at a later date. Love my Lean Mac bitch but would look at an outcross for breeding. Lot of good lines out here.

[BrianW]

I've seen that request for "Mac free" lines and have wondered as well.

A couple things to offer if I may;
It's been said that LM may have been an EIC carrier, so if folks are trying to breed away from that issue, that could be a factor?
Also, in a response to a recent post, I got a pm that said that person had come across several Mac pups with coat/skin issues.

[YardleyLabs]

I've seen that request for "Mac free" lines and have wondered as well.

A couple things to offer if I may;
It's been said that LM may have been an EIC carrier, so if folks are trying to breed away from that issue, that could be a factor?
Also, in a response to a recent post, I got a pm that said that person had come across several Mac pups with coat/skin issues.

EIC is unlikely to be the reason since it is so easy to use EIC clear offspring. I think many people are beginning to have lines where Lean Mac shows up twice already and they are not eager for a breeding that brings him in a third time.

[Franco]

I would guess that it is near impossible to avoid LM if you are looking among top field dogs. LM produced too many FC and/or AFC's and NFC and NAFC's that folks want him in thier pedigree.

Add the fact that Chopper, a Lean Mac grand-get will probably surpass the total breedings by LM and we will see a lot of LM in pedigrees for a long, long time.

[ErinsEdge]

I definately think it's because so many good FC's have LM that people look for a breeding without LM that has all the health certs and clear for EIC and CNM. To some people it's marketing. I feel the same way about chocolates and going back to Tayduh too much and a few others.

[Franco]

I definately think it's because so many good FC's have LM that people look for a breeding without LM that has all the health certs and clear for EIC and CNM. To some people it's marketing. I feel the same way about chocolates and going back to Tayduh too much and a few others.

About a month ago, I had someone interested in breeding to my male(NAFC FC Carbon x LM bitch littermate to 4 FC's/5AFC'). His HT female is by NFC Patton and out of a FC AFC Chaves bitch. He asked me if I thought it was too much LM. I pause and said, let me but a pencil to it. Pups would be technically,31.25% LM. Knowing what we do about EIC, I said lets do it.

I like both sire and dam, I like where they get thier LM from and I'll probably start one for FT's as well as the breeder starting one for FT's.

[TerRun]

I have avoided LM in my breedings solely to have a line without him so that I have a lot of LM options to breed to in the future. I don't know of any "issues" with him, he produced some of the best get and some of those have also produced. He did carry EIC, but why does that matter since you can test your dam and whoever you breed to and not have affected dogs? That being said, there is just way too much Lean Mac in our performance lines and we need to bring in some new genes to have a healthy future in field trial dogs. FC AFC Fourleafs Ice Breaker is something different and has National potential. FC Big Buck's Badger has an awesome pedigree and has hardly been used as a stud.

[LavenderLabs]

my two theories

1. there are so many linebred Lean Mac dogs out there, people are just trying to bring something new to the equation

2. its a cyclical thing, Mac was the stud/sperm donor/grand sire du jour for the last decade that people just want something fresh..

just my $.02

This is 100% the way I feel. I have nothing against Maxx, Its just here is to much of him. Every where you look this is Lean Mac. I'm having a lot of Trouble trying to find a pup with no lean mac in it. My kennels is and always will be lean Mac Free. This is just my personal Opinion.