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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Your former President, George W. Bush, who ordered troops into Iraq and Afghanistan disagrees with you. But then again, he was just Commander in Chief, he's not you.

    "My country desires peace," Bush told world leaders in the cavernous main hall at the U.N. "Extremists in your midst spread propaganda claiming that the West is engaged in a war against Islam. This propaganda is false and its purpose is to confuse you and justify acts of terror. We respect Islam."

    http://www.michigandaily.com/content...-not-war-islam

    By your own words, it sounds like you are one of the "extremists in your midst" that Pres. Bush was referring to??

    YOUR words, and President Bush's.......not mine.

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    Nobody said we didn't want peace. Bush couldn't say who the real enemy was because there are too many of your ilk in places of power. Dewey got that one right didn't he.

    I want peace as much as anybody. I wish every body could come home. The reality is if we came home right now Muslims would follow with bombs. The choice is Their shores or ours. We are not at war with any country or geographic area. We are at war with an ideology. That ideology has a name. The name is Islam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leddyman View Post
    Nobody said we didn't want peace. Bush couldn't say who the real enemy was because there are too many of your ilk in places of power. Dewey got that one right didn't he.

    I want peace as much as anybody. I wish every body could come home. The reality is if we came home right now Muslims would follow with bombs. The choice is Their shores or ours. We are not at war with any country or geographic area. We are at war with an ideology. That ideology has a name. The name is Islam.
    Very scary.
    I now know how religious wars get waged. Thank God, yes, thank GOD He keeps people with your ideology out of positions to wage war....for the most part!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leddyman View Post
    Take it how you want bub. I was saying that you wouldn't claim it was justified and that it was a Muslim that did it. You can't be bothered to name the enemy.
    Your father-in-law probably would've had the nuts to name the enemy.

    Typical liberal ploy...get all offended and drape yourself in the flag while you continue to advocate the socialist policies that are ruining our country and appease the enemy.

    How DARE you....I have a FLAAAGGG!!
    I love you self-ritcheous chicken hawks! FYI, my father in law was a life-long liberal democrat who served in Europe, then spent his life in a humble USPS job. He was of that "ilk", that you wouldn't understand; but rather criticize.

    I will be happy to name the enemy. Islamic extremists militants. To label ALL Muslims as such would be like labelling ALL Christians akin to those who blow up abortion clinics, Olympic parks, etc... Most people have the intelligence to know that the actions of extremists do not necessarily reflect everyone's position. For example, I don't label all republicans with your brand of extreme ethnic/religious prejudices!

    And by the way, "Bub", I'll wave my flag anywhere I damn well please. I believe in what it stands for, even for giving bozo extremists the right to free speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Very scary.
    I now know how religious wars get waged. Thank God, yes, thank GOD He keeps people with your ideology out of positions to wage war....for the most part!
    Who are you kidding bub. You don't believe in God. You certainly don't thank him. If you insist on trying to make my statement some kind of reversion to the attempt by the Europeans to take the holy land you just prove your own intellectual dishonesty. I am not advocating genocide or even religiocide. I am saying that we know who is trying to kill us. We kill as many of them as it takes until they agree to stop. Then we quit.

    People with my ideology...the ones who want to kill the terrorists. They are waging the war. I typed that slow so you can understand it.

    If you tell me which terrorist isn't Muslim you might have a point.
    Here is the most recent.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/..._hood_shooting
    Fort Hood.
    Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan Muslim.

    The dead included a pregnant woman who was preparing to return home, a man who quit a furniture company job to join the military about a year ago, a newlywed who had served in Iraq and a woman who had vowed to take on Osama bin Laden after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

    His relatives in the West Bank said they had heard from family members that Hasan felt mistreated in the Army as a Muslim.
    "He told (them) that as a Muslim committed to his prayers he was discriminated against and not treated as is fitting for an officer and American," said Mohammed Malik Hasan, 24, a cousin. "He hired a lawyer to get him a discharge."

    So he just decided to kill as many as possible. If it had been my family or yours he wouldn't have stopped.

    If you refuse to see the truth then have a nice day.
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    If fighting the taliban and the rest of those bandits in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't a war with and one started by Islam, then who are we at war with? The Irish? Ths Israelis? Redheads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leddyman View Post
    People with my ideology...the ones who want to kill the terrorists. .
    www.army.mil

    If you can put your honesty where you mouth is, go to that link and find your nearest recruiting office. They'll be happy to accomodate your wishes. Its never too late. I served next to a CWO with a Viet nam combat patch in 2000.

    Funny, you telling me I don't believe in God. Have we ever met?

    "You certainly don't thank him."

    BTW, in Church, I was taught to capitalize pronouns when referring to God. Its a sign of respect. Kind of funny, someone who doesn't believe in God, according to you, having to show you how to pay proper respect!


    If you want to discuss issues of differing views, thats what we're here for. If you want to insult my patiotism, tell me I don't believe in God, nor do I thank Him...I don't have the time to waste.

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    I need to start a new thread called " Roger Perry/ Yardley Idiots"
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    Personally I would be happy to see those who want to fight religious wars -- be they Christians, Muslims or others -- return to the Middle Ages and spend eternity playing crusaders. For those who want to count and are prepared to count fairly, I can guarantee a few things:
    1. More Muslims have been killed by Christians over the last decade than Christians that have been killed by Muslims.
    2. More Christians have been killed by Christians through acts of war, acts of terrorism, personal acts of violence, etc., than have ever been killed by Muslims.
    3. Over the last 100 years, more Jews have been killed by Christians than have ever been killed by Muslims.
    4. Almost none of the more than one billion Muslims in the world have ever committed any act of violence against a Christian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Leddyman View Post
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    If you tell me which terrorist isn't Muslim you might have a point.
    Here is the most recent. ...
    How about Seung-Hui Cho? If you don't remember, he is the guy who murdered 32 people at Virginia Tech. He was raised as a Christian and in his manifesto -- delivered to the media following the massacre -- declared "Thanks to you I died like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and defenseless people." The fact is that crazy people are crazy. Their religion is irrelevant. I suspect that Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a US citizen by birth, shares more with Seung-Hui Cho than with Osama Bin Laden. In the words of the Executive Director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, “No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,”
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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    I need to start a new thread called " Roger Perry/ Yardley Idiots"
    Call it what you like, but at least we'll know where to go to avoid the typical Rush/Beck narrow-minded parroting of hatred and right-wing extremist fundamentalism.
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    Then let the CIA that did the torture have immunity and proscute the person(s) who ordered the CIA to carry out the orders
    Torture may or may not work I dont know,,,

    I do know,,personally I would spill my guts after ten minutes of heavy metal.

    But what I think would work really well and it involves no torture at all is to line them all up and go down the row asking questions ,
    If the interigator is not satified with the answere then he blows the prisners head off and moves to the next in line. Maby by the 2nd or 3rd guy you might get some answeres. If not you'll save the taxpayer alot of money.
    This way they each have the choice to spill their guts or not. And there is no pain involved. I believe also that everyone here would agree this is a better alternative to torture. Incluing Jeff, Rodger, and Dave. See we can work this out together.



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