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    Continued from above.


    I then went over the slaughter house. the
    > medical SRP building. No human should ever have to see what that looked
    > like. and I won't tell you. Just believe me. Please. there was nothing

    > to be done there. Someone then said there was someone critically wounded
    > around the corner. I ran around (while seeing this floor to ceiling
    > window that someone had jumped through movie style) and saw a large
    > African-American soldier lying on his back with two or three soldiers
    > attending. I ran up and identified two entrance wounds on the right side
    > of his stomach, one exit wound on the left side and one head wound. He
    > was not bleeding externally from the stomach wounds (though almost
    > certainly internally) but was bleeding from the head wound. A soldier was

    > using a shirt to try and stop the head bleeding. He was conscious so I
    > began talking to him to keep him so. He was 42, from North Carolina , he
    > was named something Jr., his son was named something III and he had a
    > daughter as well. His children lived with him. He was divorced. I told
    > him the blubber on his stomach saved his life. He smiled. a young
    > soldier in civvies showed up and identified himself as a combat medic. We
    > debated whether to put him on the back of a pickup truck. A doctor (well,

    > an audiologist) showed up and said you can't move him, he has a head
    > wound. we finally sat tight. I went back to the slaughterhouse. they
    > weren't letting anyone in there. not even medics. finally, after about
    > 45 minutes had elapsed some cops showed up in tactical vests. someone
    > said the TBI building was unsecured. They headed into there. All of a
    > sudden a couple more shots were fired. People shouted there was a second
    > shooter. a half hour later the SWAT showed up. there was no second
    > shooter. that had been an impetuous cop apparently. but that confused
    > things for a while. meanwhile I went back to the shooter. the female cop

    > had been taken away. a medic was pumping plasma into the shooter. I'm
    > not proud of this but I went up to her and said "this is the shooter, is
    > there anyone else who needs attention...do them first". she indicated
    > everyone else living was attended to. I still hadn't seen any EMTs or
    > ambulances. I had so much blood on me that people kept asking me if I
    > was ok. but that was all other people's blood. eventually (an hour and a

    > half to two hours after the shootings) they started landing choppers.
    > they took out the big African American guy and the shooter. I guess the
    > ambulatory wounded were all at the SRP building. Everyone else in my area

    > was dead.
    >
    > I suppose the emergency responders were told there were multiple
    > shooters. I heard that was the delay with the choppers (they were all
    > civilian helicopters). they needed a secure LZ. but other than the
    > initial cops who did everything right, I didn't see a lot of them for a
    > while. I did see many a soldier rush out to help their fellows/sisters.
    > there was one female soldier, I don't know her name or rank but I would
    > recognize her anywhere who was everywhere helping people. a couple
    > people, mainly civilians, were hysterical, but only a couple. one
    > civilian freaked out when I tried to comfort her when she saw my uniform.
    > I guess she had seen the shooter up close. a lot of soldiers were rushing

    > out to help even when we thought there was another gunman out there. this

    > Army is not broken no matter what the pundits say. not the Army I saw.
    > and then they kept me for a long time to come. oh, and perhaps the most
    > surreal thing, at 1500 (the end of the workday on Thursdays) when the
    > bugle sounded we all came to attention and saluted the flag. in the
    > middle of it all. this is what I saw. it can't have been real. but this

    > is my small corner of what happened.
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    To the more military incline folks; why were there only civilian cops involved, and not MPs? Do we relay on civilian cops to patrol our bases now?
    I honestly don't know how military bases are run, so it just appeared odd to me. However, I'm sure glad the civilian cops were there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterDogRem View Post
    To the more military incline folks; why were there only civilian cops involved, and not MPs? Do we relay on civilian cops to patrol our bases now?
    I honestly don't know how military bases are run, so it just appeared odd to me. However, I'm sure glad the civilian cops were there!
    Yes, civilian contracts are very common on military posts. Even when in Saudi on a Patriot Missile battery, when it broke down, we had TRW civilians come repair them.
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    By Dick Morris And Eileen McGann 11.8.2009

    In his nationally televised remarks following the horrendous killings at Ft. Hood, President Obama never mentioned the T word. The attack was an act “of violence.” No mention of terrorism.

    In fact, the Ft. Hood shooting is the first terror attack on American soil since 9-11. But Obama, reluctant to take the rap for inadequate protections against such attacks, is doing everything he can to make it look like an adult version of the Columbine school shootings. We are treated to stories about the killer’s dread of being sent back to Afghanistan and his deformed personality.


    But, the fact is that Major Nidal Malik Hasan jumped on a table, yelled “Alah Hu Akhbar” and began the shooting rampage that killed 13 people and wounded 30 more.

    Ilana Freedman, CEO and Senior Analyst for the Gerard Group International, which provides intelligence analysis for business and homeland security, describes Hasan as a “lone wolf terrorist” who acts without apparent coordination with any other person or organization. But that does not make him any less of a terrorist.

    The dividing line, of course, between a terrorist and a psychopathic killer is political motivation. His statements right before opening fire would indicate that Hasan was motivated by fanaticism and a commitment to Islamic fascism, even though President Obama bends over backwards to avoid saying so.

    Obama’s refusal to call the attack terrorism, and to heed the warning signs about the porous nature of our security system that allowed it to happen on a military base, recalls President Clinton’s deliberate decision to downplay the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. He did not visit the site of the attack and treated it as a crime, promising to find those guilty and punish them, rather than to attack the international groups that funded and enabled them.

    There may be no groups behind Major Hasan’s attack, but the fact that he was an officer in the Army, with full access to a military base and its arsenal of weapons, while holding the views he did, is the first indication of a laxity in security under President Obama. This attack did not take place in a shopping mall or a school, where security procedures are, understandably, relaxed. It happened on the highest security place of all - a military base! That the military failed to spot the possibility of an attack and had no measures in place to prevent it must be laid at the feet of the commander-in-chief of that military: President Barack Obama.

    Many commentators have warned that the diminution of security and the weakening of our anti-terrorist protections would leave us vulnerable to be hit again. Now it has happened. And the president is doing everything he can to blur the distinction between murder and terrorism.

    It was his failure to understand the difference between an act of war and a crime that undermined President Clinton’s administration’s anti-terror efforts and led directly to 9-11. It would appear that President Obama is going down the same road of denial and minimization of political harm. There may be casualties at Ft. Hood, but Obama is determined that his popularity will not be among them.


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    What I found disgusting with todays memorial service was the shrieking of the Obamaniacs in the crowd..my gosh people this aint a campaign stop, it was a service for fallen and wounded soldiers. It was his duty as POTUS to be there and represent the Nation during this solemn time...there's a time and place for everything...this was no rockshow
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    Osama's buddy, mayor Richard Daley of chicago, was quoted on Fox news just now as blaming the massacre on'the availability of guns'. What an idiot.
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    Funny how the lefty's can blame all Conservatives for the murder of an abortion Dr., but can not even go to the area of the Muslim ideology behind this guys motives.

    See, all Conservatives are bad!!
    All Muslims are peace loving!!

    PC lesson for the day!!



    Also, an observation of note:

    In a clip of the ceremony at Ft. Hood, when the national anthem was being played all the dignataries in uniform or not saluted or put their right hand over their hearts.
    They all proudly looked at the beautiful USA flag.....except 1 person.
    1 person looked down.
    Her name???



    Michelle Obama!
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    Brain fart. Everybody gets 'em....

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    Niether she nor her husband is proud to be an American. How did we ever get them in the WH?
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    If they say the FBI should have investigate the shooter by that reasoning shouldn't they have investigated Obama more because of his pastor, jeremiah Wright. His oratory was as hateful to America as the radical islamic leader. Hate speach is hate speach be it the president or an army officer. Which hate speech do we investigate.
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