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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Yes sir! Boy, that Dow high is really impressing my 41 year-old son, who has 12 years seniority at the Harley plant here in KC, where he's still laid off. Unemployment is now over 10 percent, and I can't wait to see the retail sales numbers for this Christmas! Barrack Hussein Obama, mmmmmmmm, mmmmmmmmmm, mmmmmmmm!!!

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    My 37 year old son in the real estate business in Dallas said the same thing. His business is down 50% from last year which was down 50% from the year before that. A customer of mine just today got back from Vegas. He said the hotels/casinos were ghost towns. My mutual funds still blow. Things are really picking up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    My 37 year old son in the real estate business in Dallas said the same thing. His business is down 50% from last year which was down 50% from the year before that. A customer of mine just today got back from Vegas. He said the hotels/casinos were ghost towns. My mutual funds still blow. Things are really picking up.
    Agreed. The disconnect here is that there are two economies. One for the McCains, Kerrys, Kennedys, and Bushs.......then there's the economy for you and me. We are being asked to foot the bill for the other people's recovery. Look at how much we gave bankers just last year, now they're poised to grant themselves $23 billion in bonuses!!!!!

    As our middle class shrinks, we are gradually becoming a two-class system, just what our forefathers and colonists fought to avoid and get away from.

    Our 'boy mayor' in Pittsburgh just proposed a "privelage tax" for ALL post-highschool education in the city, making higher education and the chance of bettering one's self even further out of reach for many Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by code3retrievers View Post
    I work in Fire/EMS and there are no bigger abusers of the ER's then those that are currently on some form of government medical plan.

    When people have entitlements they abuse them more often the not.
    That has always been so. I was a Paramedic in KC long before I went back to school and became an RN. It was the patients whose bills were paid by tax payers who consistently abused the system. Those who earn what they get clearly respect it more, and it surely shows in the healthcare industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    That has always been so. I was a Paramedic in KC long before I went back to school and became an RN. It was the patients whose bills were paid by tax payers who consistently abused the system. Those who earn what they get clearly respect it more, and it surely shows in the healthcare industry.

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    That only makes sense! I haven't been to the doctor in over 2 years. If I didn't have to pay for it, I am sure there are times that I would have gone to the chiro rather than walk around with a hurt back for 3 days. BUT, I have to pay for it ($200 deductible, $15 copay), so I don't go. One visit would cost me over $200 since I haven't met my deductible. A little too steep for me.

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    [QUOTE=dnf777;522793]Agreed. The disconnect here is that there are two economies. One for the McCains, Kerrys, Kennedys, and Bushs.......then there's the economy for you and me. We are being asked (FORCED) to foot the bill for the other people's recovery. Look at how much we (we didn't, the current Administration & congress did and without reading the contracts) gave bankers just last year, now they're poised to grant themselves $23 billion in bonuses!!!!!

    As our middle class shrinks, we are gradually becoming a two-class system, just what our forefathers and colonists fought to avoid and get away from. (Exactly why this administration and congress must be stopped now, as we have let too many past administrations lead us into this position)

    Our 'boy mayor' in Pittsburgh just proposed a "privelage tax" for ALL post-highschool education in the city, making higher education and the chance of bettering one's self even further out of reach for many Americans.(Well I hope the Pittsburgh people do what they should to stop it)[/QUOTE]

    I agreed with your post, but wanted to add my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Are you prepared to accept a society where, if you are lying on the street bleeding to death that ambulance will leave you there until you show proof of insurance of pay in advance?
    Yardley,

    Tell me where this happens now? It is illegal in every state that I am aware of. I work Fire/EMS and no one and I mean no one can be denied emergency medical treatment due to lack of ability to pay. Yes, when someone does not pay, those costs are passed on to the rest of us as consumers, that is the risk and price I am willing to pay.

    If this happens else where (medical abandonment) then the laws can be changed to avoid this situation and make it illegal not to render care.

    When you throw up a false argument it makes your entire argument look foolish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry V View Post
    Help me understand.
    1)What kind of health should a person have in order for them to "need" health insurance?
    a) Good health
    b) Poor health
    c) Other (explain)

    2) If someone chooses not to buy insurance and then gets really sick, they get treated at very high cost, right? Who is paying for that now?

    3) Since the health care of folks not currently buying insurance now is being subsidized by all of us, exactly what is wrong with making everyone buy insurance to spread the risk?

    4) Is it "arrogant" or "ignorant" for someone to not realize that they need health insurance?
    Let me help you understand.

    Life is full of choices and responsibilities. It is both your choice and responsibility to buy insurance. I buy my insurance and I expect you to do the same thing. If you choose not to then you will end up accepting the risk and paying the price later.

    It's called personal responsibility and maybe you lefties should try it some time and stop wasting our money.

    Stop trying to change the entire system to cover a very small percentage of people.

    So, you want to make me buy a product simply because I live and breathe and it will make the product cheaper for you. (Sounds like a form of wealth redistribution and selfishness on your part)

    This should be about reform not take over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    Yes I get it, Obama is doing what he thinks is best for the Country by trying to bring us out of the recession we have been in for the past 3 years. Dow industrials hit new 52-week high

    I believe that the recession would recover faster and also improve the 10.2% unemployment had they cut taxes on businsses rather than spending a trillion dollar debt. Instead they taxed where we were never taxed before to try to have an income.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Are you prepared to accept a society where, if you are lying on the street bleeding to death that ambulance will leave you there until you show proof of insurance of pay in advance? .
    Are you rfeferring to your "Obama Healthcare" Card??
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    Money from thin air! It's magic!

    NO! It's....Voodoo Health Care!


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