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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    dnf777, I thought you had my "colorful" posts on ignore.

    No, I don't think these guys will get convicted in NYC.
    Even though they have confessed, this will be a circus conducted by the "lame stream" media!

    Oh, and the ACLU who have already stated their intentions.
    They are not about convicting terrorists.
    This will be about embarrassing the Bush admin.


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    I would neve ignore your posts. You're one of the voices of near-reason!

    And of course not, the ACLU is not about convicting terrorists. The military or justice dept are. The ACLU is just what it's name implies: to protect YOUR civil liberties. They always get the wackos on tv, but I doubt you would want to live in a country where you did not enjoy the liberties that you do, many of which are defended by the ACLU in landmark cases. Its much more than "In God we Trust" off of coins! That's silly. But ensuring the Bill of Rights is not abused or neglected isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    dnf777, I thought you had my "colorful" posts on ignore.

    No, I don't think these guys will get convicted in NYC.
    Even though they have confessed, this will be a circus conducted by the "lame stream" media!

    Oh, and the ACLU who have already stated their intentions.
    They are not about convicting terrorists.
    This will be about embarrassing the Bush admin.


    Old and cynical regards,
    There is no way these guys are walking. They will be convicted in any trial held in NYC to thing otherwise is living in an alternate universe. A friendly wager maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cotts135 View Post
    There is no way these guys are walking. They will be convicted in any trial held in NYC to thing otherwise is living in an alternate universe. A friendly wager maybe?
    The Bush admin?
    This will be about them and how the terrorists were forced to do this by the terrible US policies set forth by President Bush.

    It will be like pornography for the likes of RP!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cotts135 View Post
    There is no way these guys are walking. They will be convicted in any trial held in NYC to thing otherwise is living in an alternate universe. A friendly wager maybe?
    I like the way your offer of a wager was conveniently ignored!

    I guess talk is cheap!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Gutermuth View Post
    If AG Holder is able to judge shop, the terrorist scumbags will walk. After they get done complaining about the waterboarding(which they deserved) the failure to get Mirandized etc etc, the whole bunh will skate. This entire thing should be handled by a military tribunal. They are war criminals and terrorists, not ordinary criminals. Anyone remember what kind of trial the defendants at Nuremberg got?
    I have never seen you use so many sentences in one post! Wow!


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    I want to ask a serious question. It seems to me that I am hearing people say that we are going to try them in a civilian court, but they are not going to be let go. So are we saying that we are going to give them a fair trial, but we are guaranteeing a guilty verdict? Does anybody see a problem with that?

    To be clear, I think we should try them before a military tribunal and stand them in front of a wall and BANG.

    But who are they kidding? A fair civilian trial for these guys. Any civilian court would have to let them go on constitutional grounds. Never mirandized, not given lawyers until very late in the game, harsh interrogation, civilian court has to let 'em go.

    What is going to happen if they walk?
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    Holder will be the fall guy. And Dear Leader will give some teleprompter speech making it the fault of the former 3 administrations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pals View Post
    Holder will be the fall guy. And Dear Leader will give some teleprompter speech making it the fault of the former 3 administrations.
    I don't believe this trial will be about the Bush administration. I don't think anyone wants to go there. (Administrations change you know, why set a precedent you may not want to live with later.)
    Can NYC and the feds pull off this prosecution? Sure.

    Don't you think that this has maybe been the plan to close Gitmo all along?

    Federal prosecutions for some, Military tribunals for others. An incremental decrease in detainees. Did you really think we were gonna just send 'em all home tomorrow? I see a strategy unveiling here. The closing of Gitmo as a slow, measured event. Not an all or nothing, to occur instantainously.
    No one ever wanted that.
    Someone mentioned AG Holder, judge shopping.
    This is not a FT.
    It is prosecution of those that attacked us. What possible political advantage coud be gained by not fully prosecuting the few remaining 9/11 conspirators?
    We prosecute the drug cartels that operate along our borders as criminals. Are they less terrorists?

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    How many here would like to serve on the jury?

    Talk about serious ramifications for you and your family. Also since the Obama administration wants to give these terrorists some of our constitutional rights, what is going to happen when they appeal due to the fact they did not have a speedy trial? Its been eight years for some.

    Military tribunal is the only way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    Federal prosecutions for some, Military tribunals for others. Can you answer for me why it's necessary for some to be tried in federal court but OK for some of them to have military tribunals? What's the practical distinction? If some of the murderous scum are worthy of our court system, why aren't they all? An incremental decrease in detainees. Did you really think we were gonna just send 'em all home tomorrow? I see a strategy unveiling here. The closing of Gitmo as a slow, measured event. Not an all or nothing, to occur instantainously. Except for trying a few of them (or as many as Holder, his wife and brother-in-law decide, apparently) in federal court, that is EXACTLY what was happening before Obama was elected. You people were up in arms about that. Now it's fine, eh?
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