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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    And you are viewing this from THEIR perspective?

    How come you continue fooling yourself into thinking those towel-heads see it as you do? Much like so many other sheeple in this country, that is the height of ignorance.

    They don't view it as respect, it's a show of power by the one being bowed to.

    You may want to read up some on the Jihad way of life. It's more than just suicide and expecting a future of sex with virgins.

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    That's my point. Not everyone on the planet see things the way us Yankees do. The American way is not the only way.

    If you want to do business with people of other cultures, "You do as the Romans do." If the culture does not like seeing the bottom of people's feet, then you don't show yours if you want to cut any ice with them. Or you can wallow in your ignorance, push yourself on those you see as being from "lesser cultures", and be perceived as an arrogant SOB--you won't see the fingers go up behind your back.

    As for Jihad, practice what you preach, Bill.
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    Leddy,
    I've never been to Japan, but all the sources I can find describe a "head bow" as informal at best. For formal greetings a deep bow is agreed upon as appropriate. No biggie....I lived in Riyadh and al Karj for over 6 months, and never learned how to wrap a towel around my head properly.



    http://gojapan.about.com/cs/etiquett...n/a/bowing.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_Japan
    http://www.picturetokyo.com/en/culture/bowing.html
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    Personally, I'm glad that American Presidents have clearly known that there is never an excuse for bowing to a foreign representative. Why, if they did not, we might have been assaulted by images such as these over the years:





    And the next thing you know, our senses might even be assaulted by the likes of this:



    As I was growing up, I was taught that it was a sign of politeness to honor the traditions of those you were meeting. In France, that meant kissing the person you were greeting on both cheeks regardless of gender, a custom that did not sit well with my East Tennessee back ground. In Italy, it meant bowing when introduced to members of the aristocracy or the diragenti. Interestingly, one of the factors that affected the depth of the bow was the relative heights of those involved since the bower would seek to bring his head to a level no higher than the head of the person to whom he was bowing. In most of the Middle East, it meant no physical contact between genders. It is actually the job of the protocol office in the State Department to advise the President on etiquette for each country. Personally, I am not always convinced that the advice given is good.

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    Come on Jeff! Quit polluting the thread with facts and etiquette! Just bash Obama wildly every chance you get...and if you don't get any chances, just make them up!!

    Everyone here knows that he should've just slapped him on the back, given a quick shoulder rub, and asked, "How's that pig comin' along?" Make us PROUD, man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Come on Jeff! Quit polluting the thread with facts and etiquette! Just bash Obama wildly every chance you get...and if you don't get any chances, just make them up!!

    Everyone here knows that he should've just slapped him on the back, given a quick shoulder rub, and asked, "How's that pig comin' along?" Make us PROUD, man!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Leddy,
    I've never been to Japan, but all the sources I can find describe a "head bow" as informal at best. For formal greetings a deep bow is agreed upon as appropriate. No biggie....I lived in Riyadh and al Karj for over 6 months, and never learned how to wrap a towel around my head properly.



    http://gojapan.about.com/cs/etiquett...n/a/bowing.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etiquette_in_Japan
    http://www.picturetokyo.com/en/culture/bowing.html
    So that is exactly what I was saying. It would have been appropriate for him to give the informal head bow which is used between equals if he really felt like bowing. The deep waist bow is formal and indicates subservience. So you agree with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leddyman View Post
    So that is exactly what I was saying. It would have been appropriate for him to give the informal head bow which is used between equals if he really felt like bowing. The deep waist bow is formal and indicates subservience. So you agree with me.
    The question is how far did the emperor bow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leddyman View Post
    So that is exactly what I was saying. It would have been appropriate for him to give the informal head bow which is used between equals if he really felt like bowing. The deep waist bow is formal and indicates subservience. So you agree with me.
    I think meeting with a foreign head of state, who is a close ally, in his state home, requires more than a "hey dude!" Here's a hint: if you're both wearing dark colored suits, its time to be a little more formal. He acted perfectly appropriately, for visiting a friendly head of state, in my, and most of the world's opinion.
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    Yardley,

    Two of your photo examples are a little messed up.

    The second is the famous photo of Ike spittin' on de Gaulle's extended hand just before calling him a "frog SOB."

    The third is photo shopped nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hew View Post
    Yardley,

    Two of your photo examples are a little messed up.

    The second is the famous photo of Ike spittin' on de Gaulle's extended hand just before calling him a "frog SOB."

    The third is photo shopped nonsense.

    You can't tell Yardley that...he's a pro photog. Certainly he wouldn't be fooled by photo shopped nonsense.

    No more than the various mugwumps that hang out here..."I WAS a Republican"... attempting to make all believe they are independant, and hike down the middle of the road, while exhibiting more socialism than the liberal left. What a joke, especially since they can't even convince themselves what they believe in.

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