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    Yet, Obama failed to act strongly by signing the 1st Porkulus Bill at nearly a TRILLION dollars and now he is promoting Porkulus II. Then there is the UAW bailout that was not needed. Add the fact that he won;t secure out boarders which is bankrupting California and a huge burden on many other states and all tax payers.

    China and our other lenders will just string us along and then shut down our credit when they think it will hurt us the most. Yes, we import trillions of thier mfg junk but hitting us economically is more to thier interest.

    What we need to do is reduce the money we are spending so that we can get back to a pay as we go budget. Cut all the money we send overseas, stop wasting money on the Global Warming hoax, get out of Iraq and drastically cut most domestic spending. Obama should lead by example by cutting his wife's staff, and quit taking all of these useless trips abroad since he is clueless about National Foreign Policy.

    Any idiot can spend money but, it takes a real leader that can solve problems without over-spending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    So true. Jeff, I just perused your linked website, and looked at the "face the homeless". That is a very touching documentary, that brings this problem into the realm of the living, and not just 5 o'clock news statistics. These are also the very people that are not forgotten, but deliberately swept out of the minds of many who oppose efforts to help these people. Thankyou for posting, and sharing those amazing photographs. It could also be noted that many of our homeless in this land of opportunity are veterans, and the families of veterans.
    Thank you Dave. I've been working with children from homeless and formerly homeless families for the last seven years on a volunteer basis. I also manage the web site for HomeFront of New Jersey (http://www.homefrontnj.org), a program that helps homeless families and families in transition to become self sufficient. My work with these families, and particularly with the kids, has definitely shifted my perspective on those who are not making it in our economy. Almost all the families that I encountered have at least one full time (or full time plus) workers but are never more than a few days or a single illness from eviction and hunger. With the financial collapse, workload is up 34% over last year and one volunteer at the front desk was recently faced with a neighbor coming in to get a free bag of groceries to feed his family after losing his job and now facing foreclosure on his house. There are clearly a number of welfare cheats and poverty pimps, just as there are crooked businessmen and politicians, and sexually deviant priests and ministers. But the overwhelming bulk of families in distress are honest and hard working, but despite hard work and honesty are still having problems paying the rent and buying food for their kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Thank you Dave. I've been working with children from homeless and formerly homeless families for the last seven years on a volunteer basis. I also manage the web site for HomeFront of New Jersey (http://www.homefrontnj.org), a program that helps homeless families and families in transition to become self sufficient. My work with these families, and particularly with the kids, has definitely shifted my perspective on those who are not making it in our economy. Almost all the families that I encountered have at least one full time (or full time plus) workers but are never more than a few days or a single illness from eviction and hunger. With the financial collapse, workload is up 34% over last year and one volunteer at the front desk was recently faced with a neighbor coming in to get a free bag of groceries to feed his family after losing his job and now facing foreclosure on his house. There are clearly a number of welfare cheats and poverty pimps, just as there are crooked businessmen and politicians, and sexually deviant priests and ministers. But the overwhelming bulk of families in distress are honest and hard working, but despite hard work and honesty are still having problems paying the rent and buying food for their kids.
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    When it was proposed in the past to just cut "the rate of growth" in Medicare, not actual spending 'cuts", the Democrats in power screamed and yelled about 'genocide" and killing the elderly. As a result nothing was done and costs/deficits grew because too much was promised to too many for too long with too little to support it. Waste and fraud were not only recognized, but institutionalized as part of the program with allowances to cover the known abuses

    Now, as a result of the inaction, the Democrats are actually having to face the reality & consequences of their efforts over the years, and are admittedly having to cut Medicare spending, while yet paradoxically proposing to cover more people under the plan. ?!? The only way that you can spend less for more people is to cut the amount/force providers to accept less for the services they offer. If a doctor/hospital has to accept 80% of his/her costs for payment now, how long do we think they will stay in practice at, say, 40% and being unable to refuse patients?

    In addition, there is a whole new program proposed. As the Medicare employees can barely do their jobs now, they can't be expected to handle to new influx of work from the new "Fedicare" program. That will require yet more bureaucrats, boards, panels and administrators to be added to the Federal payroll. These people will not provide "care" to anybody, they will just be more overhead to encumber the system, process yet more paperwork, monitor coding, oversee/audit providers, ad nauseum. The taxes their "jobs" will generate will in no way come close to the expenditures of salaries, benefits and facilities costs needed to employ them. This is addition to more people that will HAVE to be hired at the STATE level to handle the increase in Medicaid processing. So yet more net losses in addition to the higher taxes to everyone. And yet BHO continues to lie to everyone that we can save money while doing more under this concept?


    The people that have created AND exacerbated the problems are the ones we're supposed to trust to provide the solutions? And on top of that, they exempt themselves from the system that their employers will be forced to accept or pay fines/go to jail. Is it any wonder so many people are so disgusted with the whole fiasco?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    Every time that Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity go off on an unfounded rumor it sure gets the right wing wacko's feathers ruffled though, doesn't it? The reporters and entertainers who post and or "report" these lies should be taken to task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    I'll flat-our say it, Obama is a liar!

    Here is his quote from the article....

    Obama repeated his demand for action, telling ABC News "the federal government will go bankrupt" if the health care bill fails. He said Medicare and Medicaid are on an "unsustainable" path if no action is taken.

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    Obama is going to use the failure of his Health Care Bill as a diversion to his over-spending. It is all the wasteful spending that Obama is and has signed off on that will cause our bankruptcy! Yes, Pres. Bush over-spent but Obama's spending makes Bush look like Scrooge Jr.
    Here is what former President Bill Clinton said:

    Former President Bill Clinton came to the defense of the Senate bill. Clinton, whose ambitions were humbled by the collapse of his own health care remake, reminded Democrats that political pros don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good.

    "Take it from someone who knows: These chances don't come around every day," Clinton said in a statement. "Allowing this effort to fall short now would be a colossal blunder — both politically for our party, and far more important, for the physical, fiscal and economic health of our country."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianW View Post
    If a doctor/hospital has to accept 80% of his/her costs for payment now, how long do we think they will stay in practice at, say, 40% and being unable to refuse patients?
    Where are you??!! Our practice collects 28 cents on the dollar billed! 80 cents would be a windfall!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dnf777 View Post
    Where are you??!! Our practice collects 28 cents on the dollar billed! 80 cents would be a windfall!
    Sounds like your collections department should be fired.

    Why don't you try a better business model and stop trying to get the government to pay your bills for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Perry View Post
    "Take it from someone who knows: These chances don't come around every day," Clinton said in a statement. "Allowing this effort to fall short now would be a colossal blunder — both politically for our party, and far more important, for the physical, fiscal and economic health of our country."
    And we are suppose to believe what Clinton says is accurate? I'm not that gullable and besides, it was Clinton's policy that led to the mortgage meltdown!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    And we are suppose to believe what Clinton says is accurate? I'm not that gullable and besides, it was Clinton's policy that led to the mortgage meltdown!
    Yea, yea, yea, 7 years down the road and it is Clinton's fault, right. Whats the matter didn't Bush appoint his own people to HUD? After all Bush was in office for 7 years before the people he was supposed to look after went into foreclosure. I don't suppose $4.00 to $5.00 for gasoline had anything to do with it or people losing their jobs, companies going out of business had anything to do with it either?
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