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    ...EMAIL in my box that I need to share. Sorry if this has made the rounds already, and apologize for not taking the time to read all the threads for verification. Since stories like this are seldom found in the MSP, it's just as well they be repeated where they can be read.

    Since the email sender did such a good job of stating my views of news info like this, I'll include his observations.
    As he placed in his Subject line: READ AND WEEP,THEN SHUDDER, THEN GET MAD!

    UB


    A good friend of mine forwarded this email about the increasing audacity of the Muslims here in the U.S. Please take the time to read it, it is true, absolutely true so don’t let anything that snopes has to say about it dissuade you from believing it. As many are already discovering, Snopes frequently errs on issues of key importance. I know this because I personally read one of their disclaimers that I knew to be absolutely false. Secondly, after reading the email below, ask yourself if an American would have been arrested and charged with terrorist threats, inciting a riot, and many other charges if he were to have done the same thing that those moslems did and who WERE NOT CHARGED by the way with any crime butallowed to continue on the flight. Thirdly, these enemies are not getting any media coverage. You can sure bet that if it were Americans, it would get all the coverage from here to Timbuktu. But because they are moslems, “Oh, we don’t want to offend anybody”. No! Not anymore folks, WE DO WANT TO OFFEND THEM BY BEING CHRISTIAN AND AFFIRMING OUR CHRISTIAN VALUES AND LAWS AND APPLYING OUR CONSTITUTION VIGOROUSLY IN OUR DEFENSE. IF THEY ARE OFFENDED THEY CAN PICK UP AND LEAVE OUR COUNTRY, IN FACT MANY AMERCANS WILL ESCORT THEM TO THE DOOR.

    I, Gene Hackemack, received this email from my good friend Tedd Petruna, a diver at the NBL facility [Neutral Buoyancy Lab], at NASA Houston, whom I used to work with. Tedd happened to be on this same Flt. 297, Atlanta to Houston .


    One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, November the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb where a AirTran flight was cancelled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before takeoff.


    This was NOT what happened.


    I was in 1st class coming home. 11 Muslim men got on the plane in full attire. 2 sat in 1st class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back. As the plane taxied to the runway the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back and proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very aggressively. This took the 1st stewardess out of the picture for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at the time. He ignored her as if she was not there.


    The 2nd man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger Muslims, one in the back, isle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it.Now….they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her. (don’t ask me….I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied) The 3rd stewardess informed them that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time.To which one of the men said “shut up infidel dog!” She went to take the camcorder andhe began to scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk the cabin. This is where I had had enough! I got up and started to the back where I heard a voice behind me from another Texan twice my size say “I got your back.” I grabbed the man who had been on the phone by the arm and said “you WILL go sit down or you Will be thrown from this plane!” As I “led” him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed out with him. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, “You WILL do the same!” He protested but adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go. As I escorted him forward the plane doors open and 3 TSA agents and 4 police officers entered. Me and my new Texan friend were told to cease and desist for they had this under control. I was happy to oblige actually. There was some commotion in the back, but within moments, all 11 were escorted off the plane. They then unloaded their luggage.


    We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happen, when suddenly, the door open again and on walked all 11!! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic (the only way I can describe it). The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw this, she was having NONE of it! Being that I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agent there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with these men. The agent told her they had searched them and were going to go through their luggage with a fine tooth comb and that they were allowed to proceed to Houston . The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent “we and our crew will not fly this plane!” After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. 5 minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on.


    Again…..this is where I had had enough!!! I got up and asked “What the hell is going on!?!?” I was told to take my seat. They were sorry for the delay and I would be home shortly. I said “I’m getting off this plane”. The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. (now I’m mad!) I said “I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm!! But I am going through that door!!” And I heard a voice behind me say “so am I”. Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same. Within 2 minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met with more agents who asked me to write a statement. I had 5 hours to kill at this point so why the hell not. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was cancelled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6pm. I got here at 12:30am.


    Flight 297 Atlanta to Houston .


    If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what one is. The terrorists wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it.


    I’m telling this to you because I want you to know….The threat is real. I saw it with my own eyes….


    -Tedd Petruna
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    I know that facts never seem very important to you when quoting pieces that mirror your own beliefs, but this story seems to be just one more example of idiot bait put forward by the fearful hate mongers of the extreme right. The following comes from the AirTran web site (http://www.insideairtran.com/?p=2200). I have shortened quotes from the story above so the post will fit.

    AirTran 297- Anatomy of an Urban Legend

    Posted on 04 December 2009

    BREAKING NEWS UPDATE
    After conducting additional research into this situation, we have verified, according to flight manifests (legally binding documents) that the individual that allegedly created a first-hand account of events on-board AirTran Airways flight 297, a Theodore Petruna, was never actually on-board the flight.
    According to all available records, Mr. Petruna’s trip originated from Akron-Canton, Ohio (CAK) on AirTran flight 205. This flight arrived at the gate in Atlanta at 5:06 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Flight 297, the flight which Mr. Petruna allegedly wrote a first-hand account of, originally pushed back from its gate in Atlanta at 4:40 p.m. EST, a full 26 minutes before flight 205 arrived at the gate in Atlanta making this flight connection impossible.
    While Mr. Petruna was originally scheduled to begin his journey on AirTran flight 202 from CAK and connect to flight 297 in Atlanta he did not make that original flight.

    On November 17, 2009, AirTran flight 297 was scheduled to travel from Atlanta to Houston-Hobby. During taxi a passenger was non-compliant with Crew Members, using a cell phone and taking pictures. The flight taxied back to the gate and the passenger, who did not speak English, and his companion acting as his interpreter were asked to de-plane. They were met by customer service personnel and TSA.

    The passengers were allowed to re-board and continued on the flight after speaking with AirTran and TSA representatives. The flight was delayed by more than two hours.
    Since the flight and initial media reports, several blogs and Internet sites have recounted the incident as portrayed by a passenger originally scheduled for the flight. Below is that passenger’s account (unedited in any way including spelling and grammar), as reported on several blogs. Highlighted between the passenger’s account, are the factually accurate circumstances surrounding this incident.
    We bring this to your attention in order to dispel myths that are beginning to make the rounds in chat rooms, blogs and conspiracy theorists’ Web sites.

    I was in first class coming home. Eleven muslim men got on the plane in full attire. Two sat in first class and the rest peppered themselves throughout the plane all the way to the back.
    The full party was 13 individuals. Their religion is not known to anyone at AirTran. The individuals in this party proceeded to their seats throughout the aircraft and were dressed like any other passenger.
    As the plane taxied to the runway, the stewardesses gave the safety spiel we are all so familiar with. At that time, one of the men got on his cell and called one of his companions in the back ...

    There have been no reports of any individual phoning any other individual on the flight. Furthermore it would be extremely difficult to know who someone is calling. If they are calling someone in the back of the plane, the person listening in on this conversation would not be able to hear the person in the back of the plane nor know where the call was going to.

    The second man who answered the phone did the same and this took out the second stewardess. In the back of the plane at this time, 2 younger muslims, one in the back aisle, and one in front of him, window, began to show footage of a porno they had taped the night before, and were very loud about it.
    It would be impossible to know what people were allegedly watching or whom they were speaking with in the back of the plane from Business Class. Furthermore, how would anyone know what was on this alleged videotape or when it was made?
    Now, they are only permitted to do this prior to Jihad. ...

    While the flight attendants did ask an individual to discontinue the use of portable electronic devices, there are no reports of screaming or shouting insults to our Crew Members.
    At that exact moment, all 11 of them got up and started to walk to the cabin. ...

    There are no reports of any passenger standing up in a threatening manner. At NO time was there any physical altercation between passengers. Upon returning to the gate, the individual on the phone and his party were asked to de-plane and did so in full compliance of Crew Members’ instructions.

    As I led him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck ...

    This is simply untrue. At NO time was there any physical altercation between passengers.
    He protested but adrenaline was flowing ...
    At no time did any law enforcement or Transportation Security Administration (TSA) official enter the aircraft. Two TSA inspectors came to the gate to assess the situation and spoke with the individual involved and his party.
    Me and my new Texan friend ...
    The entire party complied fully with Crew Members’ instructions to exit the aircraft in order to ascertain the situation. Their bags were not removed at any time.
    We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happened, when suddenly, the door opened again and on walked all eleven!!
    After determining none of the individuals posed a security threat to the aircraft, the party was allowed to re-plane.
    Stone faced, eyes front and robotic ...
    There was no TSA or law enforcement agent ever on the plane.
    The agent told her they had searched them ...
    There was no TSA agent on the plane and there was no additional screening of anyone’s bags.
    The captain and co-captain came out and told the agent, “we and our crew will not fly this plane!”...
    The crews were swapped. This is a common occurrence in the aviation industry for any number of reasons. If a Crew Member cannot or will not continue a flight, we must replace that Crew Member.
    Again, this is where I had had enough!! ...
    At no time did any AirTran Crew Member refuse to allow a passenger off the plane. Had any passenger threatened a Crew Member, we would have taken appropriate action, including contacting law enforcement.
    And I heard a voice behind me say, “So am I.” ....
    After offering all passengers the opportunity to de-plane the aircraft, 12 individuals decided to not take this flight and opted to be re-booked. AirTran officials did not request any passenger to complete an official statement.
    The flight was not cancelled and did continue to Houston-Hobby
    Look up the date. Flight 297, Atlanta to Houston.
    The flight was not cancelled and did continue to Houston-Hobby
    If this wasn’t a dry run, I don’t know what one is. ...
    The flight was not cancelled and did continue to Houston-Hobby.
    The TSA determined this was a customer service issue. The party continued on the flight to Houston-Hobby that evening without further incident.



    I love how more and more of the inane conspiracy freak blog posts begin with admonishments not to believe anything that contradicts the story written even though the story itself is not offered with any substantiation. For any interested, the Snopes research is at http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/flight297.asp.

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    Ah yes...the every fall-on-the-sword-for-the-enemy-lover. May you continue on your path to serfdom, Yardley. Hope your towel never unravels, so we'll always know where your allegiances lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    Ah yes...the every fall-on-the-sword-for-the-enemy-lover. May you continue on your path to serfdom, Yardley. Hope your towel never unravels, so we'll always know where your allegiances lie.

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    Interesting logic. You post a lie that puts forward a bizarre scenario designed solely to inflame anti Muslim sentiment and make readers afraid. I point out that it is a lie and that makes me a "all-on-the-sword-for-the-enemy-lover" destined for serfdom. That type of logic might even have embarrassed Uncle Joe McCarthy. For someone who claims to have arrived at your beliefs through a process of "principled logic", you have an amazing disregard for the accuracy of your facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Interesting logic. You post a lie that puts forward a bizarre scenario designed solely to inflame anti Muslim sentiment and make readers afraid. I point out that it is a lie and that makes me a "all-on-the-sword-for-the-enemy-lover" destined for serfdom. That type of logic might even have embarrassed Uncle Joe McCarthy. For someone who claims to have arrived at your beliefs through a process of "principled logic", you have an amazing disregard for the accuracy of your facts.

    Sorry!!! No banana for you. You place your 'theory' in a flawed operation that in itself is as socialistic as you are, so it's small wonder why you are so corrupted. I wouldn't accept anything put forth by Snopes or any of their communistic followers.

    You may have baffled many on this BB with your bullshit, but you are still a blazing leftist with every socialistic tendancy needed to support the oligarchy being developed by your beloved messianic administration.

    The more you brag about your lengthy education only confirms how corrupt the socialistic educators were that have taught you what to believe. Your class envy, beliefs in huge government, destruction of the freedoms this nation was founded on, can't possibly be unseen by the members of this RTF crowd. Only because they have been equally corrupted by this Obomination, do they offer fawning concurrance with your 'astute' observations.

    I can only hope I survive long enough to see this present travesty overturned, so I can go to my grave with some semblance of comfort knowing my great grandkids have a chance of not being bankrupt before they are born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    Sorry!!! No banana for you. You place your 'theory' in a flawed operation that in itself is as socialistic as you are, so it's small wonder why you are so corrupted. I wouldn't accept anything put forth by Only because they have been equally corrupted by this Obomination, do they offer fawning concurrance with your 'astute' observations..

    You may have baffled many on this BB with your bullshit, but you are still a blazing leftist with every socialistic tendancy needed to support the oligarchy being developed by your beloved messianic administration.

    The more you brag about your lengthy education only confirms how corrupt the socialistic educators were that have taught you what to believe. Your class envy, beliefs in huge government, destruction of the freedoms this nation was founded on, can't possibly be unseen by the members of this RTF crowd. Only because they have been equally corrupted by this Obomination, do they offer fawning concurrance with your 'astute' observations.

    I can only hope I survive long enough to see this present travesty overturned, so I can go to my grave with some semblance of comfort knowing my great grandkids have a chance of not being bankrupt before they are born.

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    UB,
    I think you may have become the least rational person with whom I have had communication.

    "You place your 'theory' in a flawed operation that in itself is as socialistic as you are, so it's small wonder why you are so corrupted." -- Have we switched topics so clearly? I thought your post was about efforts by a team of Muslim radical to rehearse hijacking a flight operated by AirTrans. My response was to say you post was filled with lies and to provide evidence of that fact from the airline itself. What "theory" are you talking about?

    "Your class envy, beliefs in huge government, destruction of the freedoms this nation was founded on, can't possibly be unseen by the members of this RTF crowd." -- What "class" are you suggesting I envy - factory workers.

    Most here assume that I come from a highly privileged background based on the fact that I attended boarding school in Switzerland and an Ivy League school for university. The reality is a little more prosaic, but I certainly didn't come from a background of poverty. Also, if you actually read my posts you would see that I don't believe in big government, although I do believe in competent government, and I believe that our government should pay its bills even if that means raising taxes and/or cutting spending. Most importantly, I believe that government should almost always keep its nose out of the personal business of its citizens. Of course, that includes letting them marry anyone they want, letting them have sex with any other consenting adult if they desire, make their own decisions on reproduction, worship or reject worship as they wish, have private conversations over the phone in the absence of a warrant issued with cause, etc. Those freedoms are as fundamental, in my eyes, as my right to bear arms, which I also support. The greatest challenges I have seen to freedom came between 2001 and 2008 -- sold by a fear mongering, authoritarian government.

    "Only because they have been equally corrupted by this Obomination, do they offer fawning concurrance with your 'astute' observations." I'm not sure I understand this at all. I haven't been overwhelmed with people leaping to support my positions on POTUS Place and I'm not even sure where "Obaminations" have come into play.

    I doubt that either my grandchildren or your great grandchildren will live long enough to pay off the debt incurred by GWB, so it is even less likely that they will get around to paying off Obama's bills.

    Finally, am I to assume that when you say you wouldn't believe anything put forth by Snopes or its communist allies, you are including the airline itself. In case you didn't notice, I went straight to the source. I did not rely on Snopes. You, however, seem to have committed yourself to the wisdom of idiot bait emails purporting to come from eye witnesses who were not on the flight in question despite email claims to the contrary. Goebbels would be proud.

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    Goebbels would be proud.
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    Not nearly as proud as Marx would be of you and Obama.

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