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    You don't think that alternative energy sources produce jobs?
    Undoubtedly they do ... but if the new jobs don't equal the ones lost to oil refining that goes out of the country, it is not helpful.

    But just as bad is that the goal is/was to make the US more independent of outside sources for petroleum products. If we have to import more due to sending the refining somewhere else, we are actually becoming MORE dependent on outside sources for petroleum products. It will take a while before we can eliminate petroleum products from the total energy picture for the US or the rest of the world.

    Would it have been worth a bit of a tax break to keep those refinery jobs in the US ... so those employed there would be able to continue to pay income taxes & all those other taxes they'd be paying; continuing to put their $ into SS and Medicare; and not drawing out $ for unemployment comp & other services they won't be able to pay for without a job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Actually, it seems to me to be the other way around. Oil production and refining currently produce more jobs in other countries than in the US.

    And of course your answer to this situation is probably the same as Roger's...Bush's fault????

    What will it take for you whackos on the left to just once admit to overstepping your boundries?

    All you socialists in the Algore, George Soros camp, don't deserve a country as great as the USA. You won't be happy until you have turned a great nation into your own little pile of crap.

    You are in for one humongous surprise Yardley, DNF, Roger, et al. Your Democrat leaders have crapped in their own mess kits, and soon they'll be forced to eat what they are trying to shove down the throats of their voters. 2010 is going to be one helluva year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    And of course your answer to this situation is probably the same as Roger's...Bush's fault????


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    Wouldn't the closing of US refineries in favour of off shore ones be the result of decision making by EXXON et al? Isn't the goal of a functioning capital marketplace the pursuit of profit without regard to borders....why, why anything else would be SOCIALISM!
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Actually, it seems to me to be the other way around. Oil production and refining currently produce more jobs in other countries than in the US. Wind power, solar power, geothermal, etc., and the costs of extending and modernizing the power grid to support energy transmission around the country would primarily generate jobs in the US.
    I believe we were talking about refineries shut down in the USA.
    How is that good for the USA?

    So someone in France can make wind mills??

    Amazing........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    And of course your answer to this situation is probably the same as Roger's...Bush's fault????

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    Well, folks, the world is changing fast. Those who adapt to change will thrive and proper. Those that don't will be left behind. Time to start dealing with the world that will be, than hanging on to the world of yester-year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeus3925 View Post
    Well, folks, the world is changing fast. Those who adapt to change will thrive and proper. Those that don't will be left behind. Time to start dealing with the world that will be, than hanging on to the world of yester-year.

    Agreed, but I can't find any Govt. job in my field!!

    ( I wonder who will get that?)
    Last edited by road kill; 12-26-2009 at 09:31 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/bu...html?th&emc=th
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    Interesting ... conservation measures & recession have contributed to decrease in gasoline usage; which is resulting in closing more oil refineries; which is believed will result in our importing more gasoline from refineries that can do the refining more cheaply.

    Uh ... I thought the idea of all this conservation & alternative fuels was to make the US more independent of importing fuels?

    Is this yet another instance where beaurocratic geniuses failed to anticipate the consequences of their "plan"?
    Here's one for you.

    The environmentalists push for diesel fuel to be reformulated. Because they reduced the sulfur the fuel now has less energy then before causing the trucks burning it to use more fuel.

    My truck used to get 19 miles to the gallon before the change and now manages only 15. I also have to use an additive to replace the sulfur for lubrication.

    So now I burn 25% more fuel that is more expensive and have to add chemicals to my engine so as to not harm my truck. Seems to have worked great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by code3retrievers View Post
    Here's one for you.

    The environmentalists push for diesel fuel to be reformulated. Because they reduced the sulfur the fuel now has less energy then before causing the trucks burning it to use more fuel.

    My truck used to get 19 miles to the gallon before the change and now manages only 15. I also have to use an additive to replace the sulfur for lubrication.

    So now I burn 25% more fuel that is more expensive and have to add chemicals to my engine so as to not harm my truck. Seems to have worked great!

    Maybe the answer lies in re-engineering a 70 year old design as to not need fuel-based lubrication, and continue to improve fuel efficiency. I still see alot of black smoke from diesels, indicating incomplete combustion and lack of efficiency.
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    If I am not mistaken I believe KG said on one thread that OPEC and speculators set the price of oil/gasoline. Wouldn't shutting down oil refineries in the U.S. also cause the price of gasoline to rise?

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