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    Quote Originally Posted by K G View Post
    Good luck with that, code3....now he's been asked twice and STILL no answer.........typical OTA comments from Jeff.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pals View Post
    Here and now. In the moment. Today.

    I don't discount history, I respect it.

    Sounds like discounting to me.

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    To point to today, some, (not me) believe that our occupation of Muslim countries by our troops is a form of Christian terror. That the thousands of tons of bombs dropped in the Middle East that killed Taliban and civilians alike was a form of religious/ethnic attacks. Before you flame me, let me reiterate, I do not believe that, but many others in the world see it that way. When the lies of WMDs was revealed, that did not help our justification for invading a soverign nation. Just because we don't agree, doesn't make the problem go away. My whole point was that saying everything they do is because "they hate freedom" is ignoring the problem, and missing possible solutions. Go ahead and attack my Patriotism, even my service to country, but the simple observations stand true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    Now that's whiney, KG
    If being "whiney" is asking a man to stand by his statements, then so be it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    Have you looked in the mirror lately?
    Do you actually have a point?

    Not that you ever do.

    So you think the war in Afganistan is a Christain war against Muslims? If so you are truely clueless. In case you have not noticed we were attacked on 9/11 but of course your liberal thinking is, we deserved it and caused it so we are the aggressors.

    You call BS, site any source

    Here is one

    Experts estimate that only about 15% of Muslims are radical Islamists or Jihadists. It is not clear on what data this estimate might be based. In Egypt, the Muslim brotherhood enjoys the electoral support of about 20% of the population, though it is officially banned. In Lebanon, a very large minority or even a majority support the Shia Hezbollah. In other countries, support varies and is more difficult to determine. Non-Islamists may support an Islamist party because they agree with some of its goals, or because they do not see an alternative, or they may demonstrate for an anti-hero like Osama Bin Laden even if they do not really want to have a Sharia government in their own country. Opponents of Islamism are not always more "moderate."

    There is a estimate of 1.3 billion muslims, do the math. Even if only 7% are radical that still leaves millions and lets say only 7% of those are radical enough to fight and kill your family that still leaves over 400,000

    Clearly the numbers can not be confirmed but they are large.

    Now go take your BS somewhere else but first open your sorry liberal eyes to the real world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhorse View Post
    Wow. That right there is scary. I can't believe that anyone really believes that McCarthy eventually did anything but harm what Americans stand for. He ended up being a power hungry tyrannt, which is definitely not what we stand for.
    Kathleen, I asked who was falsely accused & who was shown to be what the good Senator accused them of being? When you answer that then we can have a discussion of what this country stands for.

    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    And comments like that come off as being just a little boorish and maybe even "McCarthyist".
    Apparently I worked in a tougher world than you did as I did not find the Senator out of line but do find you to be sounding less than appreciative of the principles of this country.

    scaring even Eisenhower who understood how fundamentally evil McCarthy was. But his spiritual heirs, who are now much more sophisticated in their manipulation of the media, are thriving and well with handsomely paid gigs in radio and TV.
    Ike was a go with the flow apple polisher who rose to the top (The Politician) - it should not come as a surprise that someone aggressively questioning an alleged Commie might bother him.

    I don't think Senator McCarthy's spiritual heirs bother you as much as the fact that they are reinforcing that you have the IQ of an "Elk Hunter" for supporting the Messiah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    But let's stick to facts, How many were falsely accused & how many were found to be more than "Fellow Travelers"?
    Jeff & Kathleen - I just ask that you answer the above question, or is that too hard?

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    What nobody give me a pat on the back for my brilliant idea
    JD, Rodger,Henry, fellow christian terrorists,,, anybody

    Happy and healthy New year and may all your terrorists self destuct

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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    I know the source and meaning of the phrase well, and I also know where in our history it had its most vicious use. McCarthyism was one of the ugliest pieces of our national heritage. There are those who would like nothing better than to drag us back into that same mud again. In my personal opinion, such people represent the antithesis of all that has made America great.
    Hasn't recent release of information on those McCarthy accused along with the fears about Hollywood turned out to be true?

    http://www.senatormccarthy.com/

    If we look back in the files on international Communist subversion, we will see the successes the KGB achieved. In Britain, the legendary Kim Philby was not only a senior member of MI6 and an advisor to the fledging CIA, but a KGB general as well; in France, Charles Pathe, another KGB spy, had his very own cabinet ministers; and in Italy, where the Communists nearly achieved political power through the Moscow-trained Palmiro Togiliatti, America spent millions to reverse early defeats of democracy.

    In Germany, their second chancellor after World War II, Social Democrat Willie Brandt, had been recruited by Moscow while still in exile during the Nazi years and did his best for the East. Willie was cute -- he also sold himself to the CIA.

    And yet, these same files show no hideous Russian success in the United States. This tells us the KGB was afraid of Joe McCarthy. Sure, there were spies, but Moscow realized that to use the Communist Party for espionage with McCarthy in the Senate would spell disaster. And that, in turn, tells us his objective to protect the United States Constitution - and the people it was written for -- was successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    Kathleen, I asked who was falsely accused & who was shown to be what the good Senator accused them of being? When you answer that then we can have a discussion of what this country stands for.

    Apparently I worked in a tougher world than you did as I did not find the Senator out of line but do find you to be sounding less than appreciative of the principles of this country.
    You might have more fun trying to find anyone that McCarthy "convicted". That was not his style. Everywhere he went he carried "lists" naming people he said were known communists. He never showed these lists to anyone and no lists have been found since his death. Instead, he used their supposed existence to accuse organizations of being infiltrated and to initiate hearings demanding that people prove their innocence of crimes for which they were never charged. Careers were destroyed because people failed to attend church or failed to join the Boy Scouts. Lost in the discussion was the fact that even the nuggets of truth "discovered" were not about crimes or even things that had been done in secret. Did someone attend a meeting with a socialist or communist speaker while in college? Was someone briefly active in the socialist party or a "socialist " organization in the 1930's? These were not crimes. Broader and broader brushes were used to paint more and more organizations as subversive. My own father failed his twice per year lie detector test. On investigation, it was determined that he had probably been reacting subconsciously to stories run in the Knoxville News Sentinel labeling the Unitarian Church, of which my father was a member, as a Communist organization. Thousands were blackballed and driven from their jobs and even homes. Being driven to alcoholic suicide was too kind a punishment for the political terror campaign that McCarthy waged against American freedom. Facts and reason were never part of McCarthy's strategy because they would bhave been too limiting. Instead, McCarthy relied solely on lies, innuendo and fear, relying ultimately on his ability to accuse any who disagreed with him or his methods as Communist enablers themselves. Our forefathers would not have recognized McCarthy as an American. Instead, he would have represented the tyranny of the Star Chamber and the religious persecution which they sought to escape by coming here in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Britton View Post
    Hasn't recent release of information on those McCarthy accused along with the fears about Hollywood turned out to be true?

    http://www.senatormccarthy.com/

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    No. The Venona Project files that you are talking about contained 349 names of people that were being investigated, some of whom might have been engaged in covert activities against the US. About half of the names were never actually linked to real people and most of the rest were never released because of privacy concerns. Those people were all known in the early 1950's. Thousands of people were accused of communist ties. In fact in one speech in 1950, McCarthy claimed to have a list of more than 200 people who were known communists in government -- more than the total number of actual people on the venona project lists. Based on that, it is hard to see how anyone could claim now that those files validate McCarthy's broad brush accusations.

    The best equivalent I can think of to McCarthyism would be if liberals, who (as we know) now control everything, began a campaign in which anyone who has ever expressed sympathy for secession, or discussed overthrowing the government, or attended "tea parties" at which speeches were given along those lines, was brought before Congress to prove their loyalty, and blackballed professionally if they were unsuccessful.

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    Just to show the inane but treacherous absurdity of McCarthy attacks... In the Army hearing, in the interchange with Welch to which I posted a link, McCarthy was attacking Welch for employing a person who once attended meetings of the National Lawyers Guild, which McCarthy describes as a Communist front. In fact, no one ever showed any reason whatsoever to believe that the NLG was linked to Communism or Socialism. The organization continues to exist today. It was formed as a progressive organization that was the first to include black attorneys in its membership. It focused on civil rights issues and supported Roosevelt's New Deal programs. It also supported the war effort and came out in favor of the internment of Japanese descendants during the war. The Federalist Society is at least as radical it its own way as the NLG ever was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K G View Post
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    Your view on Christians. I would like you to name the Christian radicals?

    You act as though there is a group of Christians out there hunting down and killing Muslims or others. If you have not noticed it is the other way around.

    When I say group, don't give me a five member group. Give me a large organization that its goal is similar to the Radical Muslims. I know you will bring up some fringe group like the anti-abortionists but that is only a couple of idiots and not one major branch of Christianity sanctions these actions. The radical Muslims are well financed, well organized highly motivated and number in the hundreds of thousands.

    Over time I am getting a better picture of your world views. It is obvious to me that you are intolerant of Christians.

    The only radical Christians I have ever met are the ones that show up at my door asking if I know Jesus. Scary!

    I guess its OK to be a bigot if you are on the left.


    Good luck with that, code3....now he's been asked twice and STILL no answer.........typical OTA comments from Jeff.....

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    My apologies for shirking my posting responsibilities while celebrating the New Year. One doesn't have to troll very far into the right wing blogosphere to find those who equate Muslims in general with the actions of of the jihadists and to find those who assert that we are already engaged in a holy war whether we recognize it or not and recommend that our military act accordingly. It is more disturbing to find similar comments from idiots like my own former Senator, Rick Santorum and from similarly minded members of the republican caucus. We also hear it from the fools of Fox News and the media evangelists of the religious right. Chief among the latter are Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who campaigned in support of Serbia during the war in Kosuvo because of their view that we needed to support our Christian brothers rather than the Muslim enemy. Those would all qualify as fellow travelers for hate in my mind.

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    Wow, I'm so glad to know the Hussein administration's oh-so PC muzzie coddling is alive and well at RTF, too. Heaven forbid there might be evil Christians lurking here to aid in the cause of suicide bombing missions against mosques or Al Jazeera or ArabAir, or any other mayhem and mischief against the peaceful true believers of Islam.



    Yardley: ... our own version of Christian "Jihadists", those who seek some form of holy war against Islam.

    dnf777: Why not compare radical Islamists to radical Christians? There are a few of them out there, ya know. They make the news now and then, just like radical Islamists, except they tend to strike here at home. Olympic Park, Altlanta? OK Fed bldg?

    JDogger in response to code3retrievers:
    Your view on Christians. I would like you to name the Christian radicals?

    You act as though there is a group of Christians out there hunting down and killing Muslims or others. JDog answered: It's called the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.If you have not noticed it is the other way around.

    When I say group, don't give me a five member group. Give me a large organization that its goal is similar to the Radical Muslims. I know you will bring up some fringe group like the anti-abortionists but that is only a couple of idiots and not one major branch of Christianity sanctions these actions. The radical Muslims are well financed, well organized highly motivated and number in the hundreds of thousands. JDog answered: I'll call BS on this last statement

    I don't know whether to bitch slap or pray for Hugh after he told code3 to look in the mirror to see a Christian terrorist.
    Switched to the good Middle East stuff for your hookah JD?


    But I do agree with him calling BS on one thing: the well financed, well organized and highly motivated radical Muslims don't number in the 100s of thousands unless you're only talking about the ones already on U.S. soil; they number in the MILLIONS. Hell we hire them as prison chaplains in the U.S., imagine how many true believers they recruit on a daily basis?


    And Pete, you rock! Your post was the best thing about this whole thread. It might be a bit too extreme for some, but frankly I think the muzzie coddling has gone overboard. We can't call them terrorists, we ignore warning signs because we might be accused of racial profiling, we buy brand new prisons for them so they'll have every convenience and won't have to be stuck on some commie jungle island so far from Mecca, we try them in our civil courts, and we subject grandmothers and little boys to strip searches because they want to blow up more planes.

    I say we start forming a militia right away to enact Pete's plan.
    GUNS TO THE CHRISTIANS!!


    NOTE TO ALL ANALYSTS of electronic, snake charmed and drum beaten social media: THIS POST IS INTENDED AS A JOKE!

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