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    Gore: Ethanol wa a mistake.

    Hey Al, did you get anything else wrong?

    http://af.reuters.com/article/energy...101122?sp=true
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    an article on the impact of the global warming movements effect on the environmental movement.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1815408/
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    Shucks Joe, can't get any responses from all the GW advocates? Guess it is hard to argue for that when most of them are up to their tookus in snow, rain, or mud. Even the most ardent are having trouble coming up with a new spin for Ma Nature's offerings. Go figure eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Bill View Post
    Shucks Joe, can't get any responses from all the GW advocates? Guess it is hard to argue for that when most of them are up to their tookus in snow, rain, or mud. Even the most ardent are having trouble coming up with a new spin for Ma Nature's offerings. Go figure eh?

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    I'm late to this debate, but I have to admit; Houston's climate has been very dry for the last 10 years. It has not rained in 3 months and we are behind 20" this year. La Nina or what ever they are given reason too, but Houston is suppose to be a marsh or rice field and something has changed it. Winters are colder and summers/winters are dryer.

    When Global Warming first was mentioned, they warned of the effects these third world counties would have on the climate if modernized. I sure hope they were wrong.

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    This writer pins the GW alarmists with exactly what they are. But like so many socialists, their mind is made up, and only when EVERYONE is into equal suffering, will they be rewarded in their accomplishments.

    This article tells it like it is, and certainly tells us what Algore and his parasites are in it for.

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    The Abiding Faith Of Warm-ongers


    Posted 12/22/2010 07:07 PM ET

    Freezing weather: Just another example of global warming? View Enlarged Image

    Climate: Nothing makes fools of more people than trying to predict the weather. Whether in Los Angeles or London, recent predictions have gone crazily awry. Global warming? How about mini ice age?
    The sight of confused and angry travelers stuck in airports across Europe because of an arctic freeze that has settled across the continent isn't funny. Sadly, they've been told for more than a decade now that such a thing was an impossibility that global warming was inevitable, and couldn't be reversed.
    This is a big problem for those who see human-caused global warming as an irreversible result of the Industrial Revolution's reliance on carbon-based fuels. Based on global warming theory and according to official weather forecasts made earlier in the year this winter should be warm and dry. It's anything but. Ice and snow cover vast parts of both Europe and North America, in one of the coldest Decembers in history.

    A cautionary tale? You bet. Prognosticators who wrote the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, global warming report in 2007 predicted an inevitable, century-long rise in global temperatures of two degrees or more. Only higher temperatures were foreseen. Moderate or even lower temperatures, as we're experiencing now, weren't even listed as a possibility.

    Since at least 1998, however, no significant warming trend has been noticeable. Unfortunately, none of the 24 models used by the IPCC views that as possible. They are at odds with reality.

    Karl Popper, the late, great philosopher of science, noted that for something to be called scientific, it must be, as he put it, "falsifiable." That is, for something to be scientifically true, you must be able to test it to see if it's false. That's what scientific experimentation and observation do. That's the essence of the scientific method.

    Unfortunately, the prophets of climate doom violate this idea. No matter what happens, it always confirms their basic premise that the world is getting hotter. The weather turns cold and wet? It's global warming, they say. Weather turns hot? Global warming. No change? Global warming. More hurricanes? Global warming. No hurricanes? You guessed it.
    Nothing can disprove their thesis. Not even the extraordinarily frigid weather now creating havoc across most of the Northern Hemisphere. The Los Angeles Times, in a piece on the region's strangely wet and cold weather, paraphrases Jet Propulsion Laboratory climatologist Bill Patzert as saying, "In general, as the globe warms, weather conditions tend to be more extreme and volatile."

    Got that? No matter what the weather, it's all due to warming. This isn't science; it's a kind of faith. Scientists go along and even stifle dissent because, frankly, hundreds of millions of dollars in research grants are at stake. But for the believers, global warming is the god that failed.
    Why do we continue to listen to warmists when they're so wrong? Maybe it's because their real agenda has nothing to do with climate change at all. Earlier this month, attendees of a global warming summit in Cancun, Mexico, concluded, with virtually no economic or real scientific support, that by 2020 rich nations need to transfer $100 billion a year to poor nations to help them "mitigate" the adverse impacts of warming.

    This is what global warming is really about wealth redistribution by people whose beliefs are basically socialist. It has little or nothing to do with climate. If it did, we might pay more attention to Piers Corbyn, a little-known British meteorologist and astrophysicist who has a knack for correctly predicting weather changes. Indeed, as London's Mayor Boris Johnson recently noted, "He seems to get it right about 85% of the time."
    How does he do it? Unlike the U.N. and government forecasters, Corbyn pays close attention to solar cycles that, as it turns out, correlate very closely to changes in climate. Not only are we not headed for global warming, Corbyn says, we may be entering a "mini ice age" similar to the one that took place from 1450 A.D. to 1850 A.D.

    We don't know if Corbyn's right or not. But given his record, he deserves as much attention as the warm-mongers whose goal is not to arrive at the truth but to reorganize society in a radical way.
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    It's entertaining to see this debate. The positive side of this argument is that I will be dead and gone before any climate change really changes my life, so I can rest easy on this subject. However, I'm pretty sure that we have upset the balance no matter what you call it. So not acknologing a problem is just stupid. The fact that we can't really do any about it is reality.

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