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    Default More global warming shenanigans?

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...-james-hansen/
    In a January 29 report, they find that starting in 1990, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) began systematically eliminating climate measuring stations in cooler locations around the world. The number of stations has dropped from 6000 to 1500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabireley View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/...-james-hansen/
    In a January 29 report, they find that starting in 1990, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) began systematically eliminating climate measuring stations in cooler locations around the world. The number of stations has dropped from 6000 to 1500.
    Ignoring the fact that this study was sponsored by the same organization that, on behalf of Philip Morris, continued to deny any link between smoking and cancer until the 1990's, and ignoring the fact that d'Aleo and Lott have earned their reputations as deniers rather than scientists, the fundamental problem with their paper is that it is based entirely on a misrepresentation of the manner in which global temperatures are calculated.

    Weather stations are not and never have been uniformly distributed geographically. In fact, they have always been overweighted in land areas (rather than oceanic), and in the northern countries of Europe, North America, and the poles. For that reason, global temperatures have been estimated using a grid based approach (defined by latitude and longitude) with a differential weighting to reflect the fact that grids represent varying surface areas because those nearer the poles are smaller than those nearer the equator. In some of these grids, there may be only one or a few weather stations (or none at all), while in others there are many. If there is only one weather station in a grid, that becomes the estimated temperature for that grid. If there are five stations in a grid, their readings are averaged to estimate the temperature of the grid.

    The reduction in the number of weather stations used for calculating temperatures definitely included more northern stations than southern ones reflecting, in part, the over-representation of northern stations in the original sample. However, using the weighted, grid-based approach for calculating global temperatures, this would not necessarily have any impact at all on temperature calculation. The tip-off, of course,is that d'Aleo and Lott never attempted to estimate impact in this way. Instead, they treated the whole thing as if it were calculated by simply averaging readongs from all stations without adjustment. They also never published their findings in any scientific manner, but issued their "report" as a political manifesto disclosing conspiratorial fraud. Foxnews, in its report, becomes a party to the d'Aleo/Lott propaganda by publishing their report as fact without seeking any comment from anyone else. How is that for "fair and balanced".

    EDIT: I referred to Lott above. His actual name is Watts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YardleyLabs View Post
    Ignoring the fact that this study was sponsored by the same organization that, on behalf of Philip Morris, continued to deny any link between smoking and cancer until the 1990's, and ignorign the fact that d'Aleo and Lott have earned their reputations as deniers rather than scientists, the fundamental problem with their paper is that it is based entirely on a misrepresentation of the manner in which global temperatures are calculated.

    Weather stations are not and never have been uniformly distributed geographically. In fact, they have always been overweighted in land areas (rather than oceanic), and in the northern countries of Europe, North America, and the poles. For that reason, global temperatures have been estimated using a grid based approach (defined by latitude and longitude) with a differential weighting to reflect the fact that grids represent varying surface areas because those nearer the poles are smaller than those nearer the equator. In some of these grids, there may be only one or a few weather stations (or none at all), while in others there are many. If there is only one weather station in a grid, that becomes the estimated temperature for that grid. If there are five stations in a grid, their readings are averaged to estimate the temperature of the grid.

    The reduction in the number of weather stations used for calculating temperatures definitely included more northern stations than southern ones reflecting, in part, the over-representation of northern stations in the original sample. However, using the weighted, grid-based approach for calculating global temperatures, this would not necessarily have any impact at all on temperature calculation. The tip-off, of course,is that d'Aleo and Lott never attempted to estimate impact in this way. Instead, they treated the whole thing as if it were calculated by simply averaging readongs from all stations without adjustment. They also never published their findings in any scientific manner, but issued their "report" as a political manifesto disclosing conspiratorial fraud. Foxnews, in its report, becomes a party to the d'Aleo/Lott propaganda by publishing their report as fact without seeking any comment from anyone else. How is that for "fair and balanced".
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    Quote Originally Posted by M&K's Retrievers View Post
    Says who, Yardley? You? Where do you find the time?
    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (see the quote below from the NOAA web site at http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...ies/index.html). This is common knowledge among meteorologists. If d"Aleo and Watts ignore it, I have to suspect their motives.

    By the way, in my original post, for reasons I don't know, I repeatedly referred to Watts as Lott.
    • How is the average global temperature anomaly time-series calculated?
      The global time series is produced from the Smith and Reynolds blended land and ocean data set (Smith and Reynolds, 2005). This data set consists of monthly average temperature anomalies on a 5 x 5 grid across land and ocean surfaces. These grid boxes are then averaged to provide an average global temperature anomaly. An area-weighted scheme is used to reflect the reality that the boxes are smaller near the poles and larger near the equator. Global-average anomalies are calculated on a monthly and annual time scale. Average temperature anomalies are also available for land and ocean surfaces separately, and the Northern and Southern Hemispheres separately.

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    Global warming has forever been exposed for the lie that it is. As Algore would say...the debate is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose View Post
    Global warming has forever been exposed for the lie that it is. As Algore would say...the debate is over.

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    After-all, look, it's snowing in DC!

    Never mind that they are trucking in snow so they can have a winter olympics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    Never mind that they are trucking in snow so they can have a winter olympics...
    The local rag had an article yesterday (that's the Seattle Times) by Ron Judd, page 1 of the sports page. You might want to read that prior to your posting again. In a nutshell, Cypress Mountain is famous for a lack of snow & when it exists it's called "Slush".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin S View Post
    The local rag had an article yesterday (that's the Seattle Times) by Ron Judd, page 1 of the sports page. You might want to read that prior to your posting again. In a nutshell, Cypress Mountain is famous for a lack of snow & when it exists it's called "Slush".
    I was going by the report I saw on the weather channel last weekend. They did a special report, and they were saying that it is very uncharacteristically warm there this winter. They claimed that this time of year, there is normally a 10 foot base on that hill and that last week it was down to 3 feet. Looked like you could tear up a pair of skis on the rocks pretty bad.
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    I live here in the shadow of Cypress Bowl, I see the trucks carrying bales of hay up to the bowl each day and can tell you that this has been the warmest Winter I've seen since moving here in '65. That said; weather isn't climate, lots of people get that confused. You might be cold today or you might be warm, it's the trend you've got to watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blind ambition View Post
    I live here in the shadow of Cypress Bowl, I see the trucks carrying bales of hay up to the bowl each day and can tell you that this has been the warmest Winter I've seen since moving here in '65. That said; weather isn't climate, lots of people get that confused. You might be cold today or you might be warm, it's the trend you've got to watch.
    Exactly. As my favorite stat professor said in graduate school, "Personal experience is not statistically significant."

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